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Gov. assistance is okay in certain cases 37 78.72%
No Gov. assistance ever!! 10 21.28%
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Old July 25th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #21
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Part of me says, you know what? No. None. Ever. It should be the job of family, friends, community? Church? To lend a helping hand. Besides that it would teach people to not put themselves in situations they cant get out of. Of course it would be impossible to take it all away now. People would probably literally die because there are those that are so stupid and helpless they cant help themselves anymore.

It would also be a good attitude adjustment. If your an asshole... nobodies gonna help you. Life sux, get a helmet.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 09:46 PM   #22
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Here's the DuffMan Plan:

Adults are allowed up to 12 months of welfare assistance over the course of their lifetime. The amount of assitance is determined by the size of the family unit in question - single people and single parents receive less than married parents (no more financial incentive to break up families). While receiving said assistance, they will participate in "workfare" activities and submit to random drug and alcohol testing. By the way, this is how it was done where I lived in IN in the early 1980s until somebody got it stopped due to "self-esteem issues".

"Workfare" means they will report for 40 hours of work per week. The work may consist of driving the busses that collect the participants, providing daycare for particpants with children (EVERYBODY participates), or administering the program itself. Typical tasks include community service work that typically goes undone due to budgetary constraints or that improves the quality of life in the community. Excessive absences, tardies, or behavioral/performance problems in the program will lead to dismissal from the program and cessation of benefits.

Adults may also earn reduced or no-cost tuition at community college / vocation education programs by maintaining grades while continuing workfare participation.

Reasonable accomodations will be made for disabilities, etc... so everyone can participate, contribute, build self-confidence, and "learn to earn".

If participants finish out their 12 months, and are still unable to secure / maintain employment then they're on their own. Unlike the current "paternal" welfare system, there has to be consequences for bad behavior.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #23
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I dont think any one should have to work. . . ever!!!!!!!! The governement should give everyone enough to live on and if you want more then you can go out and get a job. But you shouldn't have to.

Just my .02
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Old July 25th, 2006, 09:59 PM   #24
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i wanted to add to my first post about 3-4 years max i didnt mean on assistance sitting at home for 4 years, i would expect in a year or less anyone could be trained to do soemthing to pay the rent for themselves.

I would like to see EVERYONE on monthly drug testing .... if productive folks with jobs cant do drugs despite being able to be productive,well fare folks aure as hell cant be on it, and shouldnt be able to afford drugs. If you can afford recreational drugs something is wrong. The government really needs to look for reasons to GET PEOPLE OFF or disquailify then for .... god knows the look for reasons to tax me for everything including dieing ... and invent costs and registrations and fees for everything under the sun ... i would like to see peole get only get money if they are on birth control .... no birth control, no money simple as that. No record either. any misdemeanor gets you off wellfare. You need to show up or report daily. So you cant be working another job under the table ... or be passed out high on crack insome alley. I have more ideas but that would be enough to make me happy and i think its not unreasonable
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Old July 25th, 2006, 10:56 PM   #25
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Were you given the option to repay the assistance? I ask because I remember a co-worker years ago that used it for the same reason. We were EMT's earning $4.50/hour, he got his GF pregnant, got married and was able to get assistance from welfare to pay the hospital bills for the birth of his son.

He also went on a payment plan to repay what was given to him.
no. and it bothered me just how easy it was to get. Just fill out a few forms at the hospital and "poof" all the bills just disappeared.

I got hired to a new job the day after he was born.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 03:54 PM   #26
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Mandatory unannounced drug testing for all welfare receipients and their dependents along with a limit on children. You get knocked up you loose your welfare.

And with that either limit the amount of time on the freebies or make them work for a CCC type organization.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 03:56 PM   #27
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I don't mean to be a dick about it. I know alot of the people on this board are a paycheck or so away from welfare themselves. There are jobs out there that DO pay well if you want to do the work.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 11:50 AM   #28
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It has been proven that welfare breeds dependancy, so I say no. My mom had me at 16. My dad died when she was 3 months pregnant. She worked full time and went to school. Do you know what I learned? I learned a great work ethic.
I agree with Sol Goode on this one. I get nothing for free, and neither should anyone else. In fact, I have done well in my life so I am instead penalized by high taxes.

BRAVO Kerry! I agree!

But I do think that there must be some guaranteed assistance to those born without full mental capacity. I personally have no problem helping the ones who have physical or mental shortcomings.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 12:13 PM   #29
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BRAVO Kerry! I agree!

But I do think that there must be some guaranteed assistance to those born without full mental capacity. I personally have no problem helping the ones who have physical or mental shortcomings.
There in lies a problem. Who/where does the line get drawn for said mental and physical handicaps. Who said the guy with one leg needs more help than the guy with 3 crushed vertibre. What if the guy that lost his leg, or the guy with the bad back had it happen because they were riding wheelies down the eway on a crotch rocket? So I again stick to my guns with NO Assistance. Families need to help thier own. Thats where the problems start. Thats where they need to stop. Need clarification just ask.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 12:27 PM   #30
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Heres the deal people live off the system and im not proud to say this but i see it first hand in my mother, whom i rarely talk to unless she wants money, anyways she knows the ups and downs and ins and outs of the government to the point she told my brother whom is 22 that he didnt have to get a job he could just get caretakers benefits because she cant work and blah blah blah......it sickens me that i pay for her to live.
What pisses me off even more is that she sucked my brother into it he at 22 just got a licence and a job, he works at 7-11 but its better than nothing, what really got me was the fact that she was mad at me when i was pregnant for not getting WIC my reply to her was "I unlike others have a job, i prefer to support myself and let the woman whos husband beat her and her 3 kids use the WIC, I dont need it".
I worked up until the week before i was due than in that week i did what i had to do around the house, like paint the babys room...lol.
Even people at work asked if i was going to get assistance so i could get help to pay for daycare, screw that I work part time so I can raise my son not some daycare. If he needs to be somewhere during the day he has Aunts and grandparents, and no not the screwed up one eithor........
That is just me though others have different opinions and what ever they may be so be it
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 04:47 PM   #31
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There in lies a problem. Who/where does the line get drawn for said mental and physical handicaps. Who said the guy with one leg needs more help than the guy with 3 crushed vertibre. What if the guy that lost his leg, or the guy with the bad back had it happen because they were riding wheelies down the eway on a crotch rocket? So I again stick to my guns with NO Assistance. Families need to help thier own. Thats where the problems start. Thats where they need to stop. Need clarification just ask.
Well, I can respect your opinion, and I agree that it will never to fair to everyone, but I disagree that nothing for anyone.

Its easy to say nothing for anyone, until you have a family member that needs way more assistance than the 'family' can give. Someone who has pure innocence, and tries really hard to be like everyone else, but doesn't have the ability and never will. I mean people who are born with physical or mental conditions. They did nothing to 'deserve' it. Without help from somewhere other than the family, they would die.

There are no easy answers.

I can say nothing to anyone who is able to work but chooses not to and to those who abuse the system. That's easy.

I hope you never have a child or other relative that needs expensive medical treatments that the family cannot afford to pay. Rather than allow this person to die, you just may change your feelings. I did.
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I had a child die, couldn't afford to pay the bills....but I did. I worked my main job 60 hours a week and a part-time job 16 hours on the weekends. The government doesn't owe any of us for our misfortunes. Them's the breaks. Physically or mentally unable, that's one thing. Able and not willing, that's another thing entirely.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:12 PM   #33
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Families need to help thier own. Thats where the problems start. Thats where they need to stop.



Red Head Too bad more people didnt think like that.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:17 PM   #34
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how about this one::

My Parents divorce when I was 17, Dad re-marries a woman that is old enough to be his child. They have 3 more children. Dad gets Canser and draw's SS for him self ,his wife and 3 kids. half Sister had Sugar. All medical and Food stamps taken care of. then Dad passes. No money taken away they split the SS money between the 4 of them that they were getting for 5. then freak accident the youngest child dies. You guess it no money lost they divide the money that was for 5 now between 3. She re-marries and uses this money to have 4 more kids with this guy who is a child molester and he gets put in Prision. YUP you guess it now more of our tax dollars going out. The half sister with sugar now get SS for the rest of her life because she can not hold a job due to her sugar and drugs. Wow the more i type I relise I have a real scrued up family...:miff: :tonka: and my mom has sence retired and she can draw off my fathers SS also because they were marred over 20 year and that is more then she could of off what she made.

Now there is NO WAY My father paid in a quarter of the money taken out under his SS. and why should his second wife be able to draw off it after he re-married?? I would have thought that when she re-married it would become her and the new hubby responsiblity??


IN Short:MY Fathers SS is part of why there will be no money left for all us suckers paying in so much.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:33 PM   #35
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You know its nice to know that you can get help if needed, Like when i was laid off and had no insurance my wife was on my child and they covered the pregnacy.. I was embarrased to tell people that i was on it, but i had no choice.. I have since got great insurance and no longer need it.. Thank god.. But my point is when you need it it is there, but for these south of 8 mile people who use the system and i only refer to them because they flaunt it more then any one... Like the time i was at the local grocery store at 9 and ryan.. Lady in frt of me is buying stealks and ribs and filet.. Pays for it all $300 plus with food stamps, mind you she was in a fur lenght coat, well i go in the parking lot and low and behold she is putting her stuff in the trunk of a benz 500 sl... Well there is a not so cheap car... If i was to say something in public i would have been called out as racist... Well it pisses me off that they work the system and then when someone actually puts there foot down and stops there free money train.... well all hell breaks lose.. This isnt a black and white thing either... there a few if not alot of illegal immigrints on the system and we are paying for it... this pisses me off more then life its self... What makes me more up set is i m down to working 20 hrs at work because we are so slow.... called to see what options i had for any asstiance since money was so tight .. Wife 3 kids... Soryy sir but you make too much money.. Im like i took home $300 for the past 3 weeks... Sorry sir We cant help you same goes for the utilitys companys.... When you ask for some time to pay... Nope... I really wonder if it because we are white. Anyways I just truck along make the best of it dont ask anyone to feel sorry for me because i have struggled before and im sure ill do it again.. I just remember to help out the people that really need the help. Not some crack head who is looking for hand out's our the person going to the fair or carnaval spending our tax dollars, while there 6 kids are sitting there with no clothes on and hungrey... Sorry for the long post.. I have seen both sides and i hate free loaders

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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:56 PM   #36
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this is a very bad subject with me.

and to clue everyone in that doesn't know, my wife and I were involved in a very serious motorcycle accident back in Oct. our combined medical bills came to over $500,000. yes that is a half-a-million. I was in a coma for 4 days, and didn't even know my wife was my wife for 4.5 weeks. my parents contacted SSI back then. I have been without a job for over 9 months and I was the main bread winner of the family. my wife has taken up two jobs and doesn't clear enough to pay the mortgage. which we asked for help with and the mortgage company sent us foreclosure documents. since my release from the hospital. I have had to go to a number of SSI testing procedures. as of last month they said we unfortunately have to deny you. now I'm at the point I want to go back to work. but no thanks to the Govt and there slow ass. I had more help from friends and family than the Govt could even come close to.

so granted there are occasions where Govt assistance is needed and deserved but there are too many people abusing the system, so that the people that need/deserve it lose out. I have been a faithful worker and tax payer since I was 16, thankfully I was just able to enjoy my 40th B-day in June.
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