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Old December 20th, 2009, 01:02 PM   #21
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Mayan's,Nasca, Inca's, Azfucs who cares? its a ll a bunch of crap. if they were so fucking smart how come they didn't see the Spanish coming?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 01:13 PM   #22
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The scary thing about all of the Global Warming hysteria is that it has taken on many elements of a new-age religion.

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The revelation that many of the leading "scientists" pushing it were falsifying data was dismissed as a "no never mind" level event. The mainstream news media largely ignored it, only giving it limited acknowledgement. Because the mainstream media allowed itself to become part of the global warming alarmist machine it couldn't highlight flaws in the faith. So, dogma has become more important that fact and data.

The venom with which "the faithful" attacked scientists who didn't go along or had the audacity to challenge Global Warming had a level of energy that could only be compared to religious fanatics. Conflicting data and opinions are attacked and denied - but not challenged on a factual basis. The infidels and blasphemers must be persecuted and rejected. Note that no meaningful, legitimate, data-driven and fact-based effort has been made to refute the charges.

Instead of pursuing a scientific path, The Global Warming Faithful instead took a political one. They pressed various scientific organizations and government bodies to endorse Global Warming - specifically "Anthropogenic Global Warming" or man-made global warming. They also signed up media figures and celebrities to the cause. There are a lot of show business types who, while lacking formal education, fancy themselves pretty intelligent, learned individuals. And Unfortunately, their celebrity grants them a level of credibility that far outstrips their legitimacy. So, they gained influence over the media and popular culture to drive their belief system (and assail those who don't share it).

The facts are:

1) Nobody has been able to conclusively demonstrate that global warming is indeed occurring.

2) For those who "take it on faith" that global warming is occurring, they have been unable to demonstrate that it is either directly or indirectly caused by human activity.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #23
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The scary thing about all of the Global Warming hysteria is that it has taken on many elements of a new-age religion.

To wit:

The revelation that many of the leading "scientists" pushing it were falsifying data was dismissed as a "no never mind" level event. The mainstream news media largely ignored it, only giving it limited acknowledgement. Because the mainstream media allowed itself to become part of the global warming alarmist machine it couldn't highlight flaws in the faith. So, dogma has become more important that fact and data.

The venom with which "the faithful" attacked scientists who didn't go along or had the audacity to challenge Global Warming had a level of energy that could only be compared to religious fanatics. Conflicting data and opinions are attacked and denied - but not challenged on a factual basis. The infidels and blasphemers must be persecuted and rejected. Note that no meaningful, legitimate, data-driven and fact-based effort has been made to refute the charges.

Instead of pursuing a scientific path, The Global Warming Faithful instead took a political one. They pressed various scientific organizations and government bodies to endorse Global Warming - specifically "Anthropogenic Global Warming" or man-made global warming. They also signed up media figures and celebrities to the cause. There are a lot of show business types who, while lacking formal education, fancy themselves pretty intelligent, learned individuals. And Unfortunately, their celebrity grants them a level of credibility that far outstrips their legitimacy. So, they gained influence over the media and popular culture to drive their belief system (and assail those who don't share it).

The facts are:

1) Nobody has been able to conclusively demonstrate that global warming is indeed occurring.

2) For those who "take it on faith" that global warming is occurring, they have been unable to demonstrate that it is either directly or indirectly caused by human activity.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 05:51 PM   #24
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31,000 Scientists Debunk Al Gore and Global Warming
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By: Phil Brennan


An incredible 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science, including 9,021 Ph.D.s, have signed a petition that flatly denies Al Gore’s claims that human-caused global warming is a settled scientific fact.

Gore calls scientists and others who question the reality of human-caused global warming “deniers” and claims they are a tiny minority among the scientific community who he insists almost universally agree that the planet is being threatened by the alleged warming of the earth.

Gore told CBS’ Leslie Stahl on "60 Minutes" recently, "I think those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view. They're almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat."

These 31,072 scientists do not believe the world is flat, and they say there is no convincing scientific evidence that so-called greenhouse gasses are causing catastrophic heating of the earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the earth’s climate.

On Monday, Dr. Arthur Robinson of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, (OISM) announced the results of a drive asking scientists to sign a petition stating: “We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limit on greenhouse gasses would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.”

The petition went on to say, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the earth.”
Robinson explained that the purpose of OISM’s petition project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong.

Despite Gore’s extravagant claims, the petition shows that no such consensus or settled science exists.

In 2001, OISM circulated what was known as the Oregon Petition, and according to Lawrence Solomon, executive director of Energy Probe and author of “The Deniers: The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud,” that effort, spearheaded by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University, gathered an astounding 17,800 signatures.

To establish that the effort was bona fide, and not spawned by kooks on the fringes of science, as global warming advocates often label the skeptics, the 2001 effort was spearheaded by Dr. Seitz, a towering figure in the world of science.

Solomon wrote, “The Oregon Petition garnered an astounding 17,800 signatures, a number all the more astounding because of the unequivocal stance that these scientists took: Not only did they dispute that there was convincing evidence of harm from carbon dioxide emissions, they asserted that Kyoto itself would harm the global environment because increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the earth.”

According to Dr. Robinson, “As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.”

Solomon asked, “How many scientists does it take to establish that a consensus does not exist on global warming?”
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #25
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So what Mayans told you we are a bunch of morons? I need to see pics of these Mayans or I won't believe.
http://news.discovery.com/earth/maya-doomsday-2012.html

Just one of probably many who would tell you to STFU.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:51 PM   #26
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"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.
But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.
Maybe Al Gore is a reincarnated Mayan? he still trying to hype shit from the after life?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #27
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Mayan's,Nasca, Inca's, Azfucs who cares? its a ll a bunch of crap. if they were so fucking smart how come they didn't see the Spanish coming?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #28
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http://news.discovery.com/earth/maya-doomsday-2012.html

Just one of probably many who would tell you to STFU.
So you are the missing Mayan that we are looking for. Tell us oh Mayan one, what happens in 2012? Bad winter, hot summer or the end of the world?
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So you are the missing Mayan that we are looking for. Tell us oh Mayan one, what happens in 2012? Bad winter, hot summer or the end of the world?
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Old December 21st, 2009, 09:47 AM   #30
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Globel warming
It's all about making money for the special interest groups!
And passing a little on to Government (making jobs) and scandal!
Remember there is always a fall guy!
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Old December 21st, 2009, 11:57 AM   #31
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Blah blah so many words, Clorox is on sale a walmart right now they should all go buy 3 for 5 and quench their thirst. I heat my house with coal. and I dont buy credits. fuck you Gore.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 01:10 PM   #33
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Mayan's,Nasca, Inca's, Azfucs who cares? its a ll a bunch of crap. if they were so fucking smart how come they didn't see the Spanish coming?
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/...668352,00.html

Here is the latest from the German media on the failure at the climate summit


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The weeks, months and years of talking ended in a limpid deal. The Copenhagen climate conference ended on Saturday with a vague commitment to preventing the average global temperature from rising by more than 2 degrees Celsius. German newspapers slam the failed summit and most are deeply pessimistic about any future deal.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 04:58 PM   #36
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the mayan calender is an end of an era. some things will change drastically, like small things. on a compass the needle pointing north will point south in a few years. but it shouldnt be a few years, we are long over due. only stupid people do stupid stuff. thats how mainstream works. they love money. why do you think these punks think wearing tight ass gril pants is cool?
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 05:14 PM   #37
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the mayan calender is an end of an era. some things will change drastically, like small things. on a compass the needle pointing north will point south in a few years.

this is still a couple thousand years away but yes it will happen
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