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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #1
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im going to pick up an 87 samurai tonight. just wanted to know how much lift i would need to run 35 inch tires and what kinds of lifts to look at? thanks
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Old January 11th, 2010, 04:29 PM   #2
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With 35s you will need to upgrade your axles. The stock axles will not last long with 35s. You will also need to regear, either the axles or tcase or both. I'd recommend a spring over axle lift with 31's or trim the fenders and run 33's.

Popular axle upgrades are Toyota mini truck axles, which are alot stronger and a little wider. Also swapping in the leaf springs from an 87-95 Jeep wrangler, they are not bolt in but are stronger and will make it ride alot better.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #3
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35" tires on anything resembling a stock samurai is a big (expensive )undertaking like rdkyj88 said a spring over lift and 31 'tires is a good start but will still be underpowered so you will want either transfer case gears or axle gears Ive had a few samurais and the ones Ive had the most fun with were the smaller built ones that I could beat on all day for 5$ worth of gas and not break anything this is how it usually goes for me ..
bigger tires - spring over lift -bigger gears- lockers- power steering - bigger engine - even bigger axles even bigger tires- more gears -more lockers - stretch wheel base - exo cage. or $ 300 samurai small agressive treads beat it and have fun actually a lot to be said for either way you go
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is spring under the only way to go with these things. i found an 800 dollar lift from calmini that is a spring under. im thinking im going with 33 inchers with a 5 inch lift. will that work?
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I know about 15 samurai /owners and only one has a spring under lift and I think even he will say is rig is not very flexible and he still only has 31"tires (hes locked up so it dosent mater if his tires are on the ground )if your going to keep with spring under lift you probably also have to get drive shaft spacers and deal with brake line extensions or modification and mabee some steering mods (z bar or drop pitman arm)
there are lots of spring over lift kits out there some more complete that others heres a link to a place that sells economical lift stuff
http://www.breezeindustries.com/suzuki.htm but you need to be able to weld a 5" spring over still wont fit 33 with out cheating the axle foward or trimming the ft fendrers and outer stock ft bumper mounts . and the rear usually needs trimming also if you put a body lift on stuff might clear I dont like body lifts so havet ever used one other than to remove them. anyway thats my 2cents
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With 33's I would go with the YJ leaf spring conversion and go spring over. I believe this stretches it out enough to clear the tub with 33's. Search for the "Jeep eater" kit. I would definitely recommend T-case gears, either 5.14:1 or 6.5:1. Samurai T-case gears will lower high and low range gearing too.
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You can also search and find tons of info on these sites:

www.zukikrawlers.com
www.zuwharrie.com
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Ok so it sounds like spring over lifts are the way to go. From what i have read they do require a lot more money because of the need to change the steering components and most likely end up having to get a new driveshaft. plus there is the issue with the motor not turning 33 inch swampers very well. so should i just hold up a little bit untill i can get all the parts i need to do the spring over, or buy the cheeper spring under and just run smaller tires?
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http://lowrangeoffroad.com/samsuspkits.htm

Go with the basic SPOA lift and stage 1 steering with 31's and you will have a capable offroad rig. Upgrades after that would be lockers. You can also do RUF (rears up front) where you get another set of rear leafs and put them in the front for better flex and ride.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #10
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It's all about prefference. I've ran 35x15.50x15 swamper sx's on my tiny axles with a rear spool and stock 373:1 gears for four years. I have not broken any axle parts yet and I am usually not that easy on it. Althought I have replaced wheel bearings a few times. My lift consist of an spoa with custom made 5" lift 2" longer front springs with missing link shackles. The rear is spoa with stock 86 jeep cj front springs with a 1" block and 1" taller missing link shackles. 6.5:1 t-case gears, with high range being 1.2:1 so it seems like running 447.6:1 in the axles. It turns the 35's ok, but I also have a 1.6 tracker engine so I have more power than the 1.3. I've been thinking about going to 33's before I break the axles, but I like the way it is with the 35's. I would probably lower it a little if I did that though.

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I know about 15 samurai /owners and only one has a spring under lift and I think even he will say is rig is not very flexible and he still only has 31"tires (hes locked up so it dosent mater if his tires are on the ground )if your going to keep with spring under lift you probably also have to get drive shaft spacers and deal with brake line extensions or modification and mabee some steering mods (z bar or drop pitman arm)
there are lots of spring over lift kits out there some more complete that others heres a link to a place that sells economical lift stuff
http://www.breezeindustries.com/suzuki.htm but you need to be able to weld a 5" spring over still wont fit 33 with out cheating the axle foward or trimming the ft fendrers and outer stock ft bumper mounts . and the rear usually needs trimming also if you put a body lift on stuff might clear I dont like body lifts so havet ever used one other than to remove them. anyway thats my 2cents
the guy he is refering to is proly me...yes i dont have hardly any flex and can be kinda scary when you go off camber but its also kinda exciting too...i can get some massive wheelies coming outa holes and i dont have to beat on it cause im locked front and rear..i used a kit from ebay from hell creek suspensions and it was less than $400 with shipping...had to mod the brake lines but i came with everything else to do the kit except shock..i bought rancho 5000 shocks when they were buy three get one free so total i have less than $500 into my lift and still kept it spring under...too a day to do the kit.here is a link to there website.....http://www.hellcreeksuspensions.com/

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thought i would add that its a 4 inch spring lift.use stock shakles and you dont need to mod steering unless you want to..i found a deal on a z bar after i had the lift on for a while plus i have longer shakles so im a little over the 4 inch mark...............cya
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that thing looks fun...
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thought i would add that its a 4 inch spring lift.use stock shakles and you dont need to mod steering unless you want to..i found a deal on a z bar after i had the lift on for a while plus i have longer shakles so im a little over the 4 inch mark...............cya
Mine is spring under too, and it usually has one tire not touching the ground


IMO - wheel a samurai small and see where it gets you, you might realize it's not worth the money to go bigger, For under 2K you have a samurai on 31's that will do pretty well offroad, if you go bigger than 31/33's samurai's can start to loose their charm
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IMO - wheel a samurai small and see where it gets you, you might realize it's not worth the money to go bigger, For under 2K you have a samurai on 31's that will do pretty well offroad, if you go bigger than 31/33's samurai's can start to loose their charm
I agree
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that thing looks fun...[/QUOTE]

It is alot of fun. Lets see you climb a 4 foot rock with a stock sami. I mud it, I rock crawl it, and I trail ride it. I even drive it on the road. It is very versatale. The wheel base is stetched about 3". I have ramed into trees and laid it on it's side with no damage thanks to the exocage.
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My first sammy had 35 BFG MT tires with a 4.3 V6 and open stock axles. I did a Spring over swap and used a set of used 3 inch lift springs. It could have cleared 37s with no rubbing. I sold it before I used it off road in that combo, bu the lady I sold it to used it for mud drags with no axle issues.

My current sammy has a spring over with stock springs and a single extra sammy leaf in each pack. It clears 33s no problem, and would probably clear 35s with some trimming. It runs 5.13 gears and I can take it up to 70 mph no problem. The rear is welded and the front is open. I've snapped one rear and one front shaft with this combo and heavy wheeling. It only flexes about 7 inches in the front or rear and rides stiff. I'm currently selling it on ebay, but if I were to keep it I would remove the extra leaf I put in each pack.

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