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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:56 AM   #1
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Last night I watched an interesting program on the CCC. I knew it was part of FDR's "New Deal" and I was aware of the CCC, but I didn't know how profound it was.

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"The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was a public work relief program for unemployed men, providing vocational training through the performance of useful work related to conservation and development of natural resources in the United States[2] from 1933 to 1942. As part of the New Deal legislation proposed by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), the CCC was designed to aid relief of the unemployment resulting from the Great Depression while implementing a general natural resource conservation program on federal, state, county and municipal lands in every U.S. state, including the territories of Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands."
Now, given the current state of affairs in the country. I wonder instead of this botched stimulus plan that was put in place, if they shouldn't have reinstated this program.

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Old January 20th, 2010, 09:02 AM   #2
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I can see where good intentions pave the path to hell. all this stuff is just a repeat of the failure of old kingdoms.


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I'm guessing that ancient Egyptian society collapsed in the same way the Soviet Union did, and for the same reason. You can't have a Pharoah-God ruler single handedly directing the people and the nation's resources by fiat and still expect to maintain a viable economic condition over the long run. Those pyramids should stand as an eternal monument to the inherent folly of government spending. It may keep people busy, and it may look like things are getting done, but it merely squanders human and physical resources, and is inherently uneconomic. A collossal waste of productive human energy -- and for what? To assuage the ego of some delusional tyrant.
Just think how that society would have thrived if all those poor souls assigned to monument building and similar tasks had been allowed to pursue their own individual talents and goals.
I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p34_Oliver.html
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Old January 20th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #3
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I am missing your point here or you're missing mine.

The spending is going on, whether we like it or not. The welfare numbers are skyrocketing as is unemployment. Now, take those fit to work and put them to work where they are needed. If we are already paying for them to live (welfare) or they are sitting idle waiting for employment, they could at least learn additional skills and complete needed work.

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"Just think how that society would have thrived if all those poor souls assigned to monument building and similar tasks had been allowed to pursue their own individual talents and goals."
Monument building is very different than road repair, bridge and dam building, tree planting and harvesting, emergency response support, etc.
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Look at where the current money is going? they have spent more money on the signs saying they are doing something then the actual doing of it. its in the billions on signage alone. I laugh my ass off every time I pass one on the road.

as for getting people to work...fat chance. untill this country passes law saying that every man or woman has to serve a 2 year minimum in the military of this country it won't happen. hell you'd have better luck offering Haitian's green cards in exchange for military service.
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I am missing your point here or you're missing mine.

The spending is going on, whether we like it or not. The welfare numbers are skyrocketing as is unemployment. Now, take those fit to work and put them to work where they are needed. If we are already paying for them to live (welfare) or they are sitting idle waiting for employment, they could at least learn additional skills and complete needed work.

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"Just think how that society would have thrived if all those poor souls assigned to monument building and similar tasks had been allowed to pursue their own individual talents and goals."
Monument building is very different than road repair, bridge and dam building, tree planting and harvesting, emergency response support, etc.
Not really. But I get what you're saying. And I agree to an Extent. Make the people who are unemployed work for their unemployment checks. Makes sense.
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Not really. But I get what you're saying. And I agree to an Extent. Make the people who are unemployed work for their unemployment checks. Makes sense.
I think that's a grand idea.
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We are paying dearly for many of FDR's failed/failing programs. I just wonder if these grants payed out by the feds wouldn't be better put to use if they removed the wage restrictions (in all the cases I have witness are ridiculously high) and utilized the unemployed/welfare recipients.

This quote is hard to disagree with for me:
"Continued dependence upon welfare induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."
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Here's an article on "the great" FDR.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/1...rough-history/

it's a little long, but you will see how history is repeating itself.
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