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Old January 19th, 2010, 06:01 PM   #1
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Found this interesting... Anyone here ever open carry and get confronted? LEO or otherwise?

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...13/1002/NEWS01
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Old January 19th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #2
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Good article.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 06:57 PM   #3
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very good. it seem weird to see a guy walking down the street with a shot gun over his shoulder
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #4
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So wait, I could go get a gun, Strap it to my side and go out into public? No CPL or anything? Not saying I would, because I don't want that responsibility. That and Any where I go is a no-Go zone for Guns. I work at Two schools and Often visit friends at MSU.

Let me be very clear (because I don't want this to turn into a flame fest) that if I ever got a Gun to carry I would get a CPL and make sure I was comfortable with it before it even went out into public.....I just think this law is kind of unique.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #5
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"I don't advocate for open carry and I don't have anything against the group, who are trying to make it more socially acceptable, but if you open carry, you have to be prepared to deal with the police when they arrive. They have to respond and you are going to be viewed with suspicion. You may have the right to do it, but it is not always the right thing to do."
I'm all for open carry. But that quote made me think a little.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:37 PM   #6
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So wait, I could go get a gun, Strap it to my side and go out into public? No CPL or anything? Not saying I would, because I don't want that responsibility. That and Any where I go is a no-Go zone for Guns. I work at Two schools and Often visit friends at MSU.

Let me be very clear (because I don't want this to turn into a flame fest) that if I ever got a Gun to carry I would get a CPL and make sure I was comfortable with it before it even went out into public.....I just think this law is kind of unique.
Yes, you could, without having your CPL. There are more restrictions on where you can go while OC'ing without a CPL. For example, you cannot go into a bank while OC'ing without a cpl.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:37 PM   #7
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I'm all for open carry. But that quote made me think a little.
That's how I've always felt about open carry laws. I'm not against them, but I would rather carry concealed.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:38 PM   #8
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I Open Carry quite often and have yet to be confronted (positive OR negative); I conceal carry most the rest of the time - WITHIN the laws of the state, of course!
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I Open Carry quite often and have yet to be confronted (positive OR negative); I conceal carry most the rest of the time - WITHIN the laws of the state, of course!
Where do you usually carry? I feel like if you carry around a small town it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but if you are more in a city environment you might call attention to yourself. I've never open carried or seen somebody open carry, so I've never seen what kind of attention it brings.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #10
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Where do you usually carry? I feel like if you carry around a small town it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but if you are more in a city environment you might call attention to yourself. I've never open carried or seen somebody open carry, so I've never seen what kind of attention it brings.
Quite a bit in Auburn Hills, where I do most of my shopping. The rest of the time smaller towns White Lake, Waterford, Clarkston, Davisburg. Also, I have never seen anyone else open carrying, either!

For more info, go to http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #11
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Found this interesting... Anyone here ever open carry and get confronted? LEO or otherwise?

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...13/1002/NEWS01
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http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/11799.html
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Old January 19th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #12
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http://www.michiganopencarry.org/

That has all the info and links to the law that one could want.

I have open carried on select occasions as I do not have a CPL, haven't had an issue but wouldn't expect it at my buddies cigar shop. While in there smoking there were quite a few customers to come and go, a few stopped and asked about my GLOCK 23 and inquired if it was legal to OC. I explained to them the law and the Attorney Generals (Granholm at the time) opinion on OC.

I OC rarely now that it is cold out and wearing a long jacket the gun could momentarily be covered by said jacket and then I would be in violation of CCW laws. And a felony is not something I wish to mess with. However once I have my CPL, soon I hope, I will exclusively OC.

I advocate OCing wherever you are, its your right and it is my belief that a right not exercised is a right lost.

Also check out http://www.migunowners.org/ there is a forum on there dedicated to OC. It has a lot of good experiences and bad ones. There is a lot to learn from these as to how to handle yourself if put in a situation involving harassment from the police. It is illegal for any LEO to stop or detain you for the sole fact that you are carrying a gun on your hip as long as it is in plain sight and not concealed.

The majority of issues reported have been from small towns such as St. Helen and Jackson. Several of the local LEOs there are unaware of MI preemption laws that make it illegal to local municipalities to have laws and ordinances stronger than MI gun laws. They are sadly uninformed of the actual laws and like to harass people.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 02:26 AM   #13
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So... can you open carry in a campground? I also take it ill need a ccw to carry while on my quad?
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Old January 20th, 2010, 03:49 AM   #14
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I would rather the bad guy's did not know that i have my gun. They are the one's that should be caught off guard, not thinking of how they are going deal with me and my gun. Out of sight out of mind.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 05:38 AM   #15
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I support OC for those that wish and hope the movement continues to grow. I prefer to CC.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:30 AM   #16
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I support OC for those that wish and hope the movement continues to grow. I prefer to CC.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:47 AM   #17
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The only problem with OC is making sure it is OC. The holster the gentleman in the pic is wearing could be a problem. As soon as he puts his coat on it could become covered and then the problem starts. If its covered by your arm or partial covered by clothing it could be called CC. I support their effort but CC is better.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 07:14 AM   #18
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I would rather the bad guy's did not know that i have my gun. They are the one's that should be caught off guard, not thinking of how they are going deal with me and my gun. Out of sight out of mind.
personally, I would rather the bad guys know that I have a gun, that way they think twice about being bad around me!
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Old January 20th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #19
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I have attached a spreadsheet that shows where you can and cannot carry based on if you have a CPL (concealed pistol license) or not. Realize this is NOT all inclusive, but more of a guide. If you choose to open carry I here is the link to MCL 28.425o that covers Michigan gun laws in detail.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-425o

Also, here is the link to MCL 123.1102 that states no local government can enact or enforce any firearm laws that preempt State law.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-123-1102

And finally, for further information on open carry and citizens rights refer to this newsletter published by the Law Enforcement Action Forum (LEAF) of the Municipal League of Michigan.

http://www.mml.org/insurance/shared/...er/2009_04.pdf
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Old January 20th, 2010, 09:04 AM   #20
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I support OC for those that wish and hope the movement continues to grow. I prefer to CC.
Damn, if I had known you were pro-open carry I wouldn't have locked my pistol up when we went to breakfast at Big Boy a few week ago!
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