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Old January 7th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #21
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90% of people travel do it unneeded anyways. Like...omfg it's going to snow two inches, better stock the house! type stuff. It's just snow, it'll melt in a few days most likely anyways. If you absolutely need to go some place (which most of the time these people dont), own a 4wd and take your time. Otherwise, chill the hell out and relax at home with your family and enjoy the peace and quiet.
doesnt matter if they need to be on the roads or not, they have the right to free travel, and we all pay taxes to cover the expenses of maintaining the roads...the money is taken, but then the local governments complain about having to spend it.

I dont really blame the road commisions so much, because I'm sure they dont actually get the funding they need, regardless of how much taxes are raised in order to give them the funding.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 08:39 PM   #22
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salt was about 38 bucks a ton last year this year it is 55 bucks a ton this price is state price for cities , counties and municipalites private contractors pay around 100-120 a ton . sand is ok in rural areas but in cities it is a mess and does nothing for ice controll salt brine with calcium cloride works great but very corrosive, now we use beet juice mixed with salt and it is alot better each year around the end of february we are told that salt is getting short it is basicly a way to drive the price up the next year i purchased 3500 tons this year for the season and will have 700- 800 tons left over to start out next year
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Old January 7th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #23
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doesnt matter if they need to be on the roads or not, they have the right to free travel, and we all pay taxes to cover the expenses of maintaining the roads...the money is taken, but then the local governments complain about having to spend it.

I dont really blame the road commisions so much, because I'm sure they dont actually get the funding they need, regardless of how much taxes are raised in order to give them the funding.
If they want free travel, quit whining about things like the gas tax and such. Everyone complains and refuses to increase taxes to cover increased costs...so service is going to suffer some where. Would you rather see plowing less often with less salt use, or more teachers cut from schools?

And go slap all those people who live in MI and buy all their gas in OH, WI, and IN.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:02 PM   #24
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well if they used sand and designed a trap in the road drain basins to make the reclamation easy it could be reused. this would A. be more environmentally friendly, B. put people to work C. make sense. but i know we shouldn't use logic

the reason salt costs more is because the wasteful spending cannot be corrected. the answer is to raise the price on something to get more cash to cover the waste they aren't fixing.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:16 PM   #25
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good. why would you want salt to be dumped on the roads? it destroys vehicles. oh, a dusting of snow? lets put an inch of salt on the roads. so stupid. they should use sand.
I can buy another vehicle. I want them to salt the shit out of the road so Gammy Num Nums doing 15 mph and Johny "my truck is 4wd so I'm gonna drive 80" can control their vehicles and not crash into me or my family.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:55 PM   #26
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Old January 8th, 2010, 02:03 AM   #27
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If they want free travel, quit whining about things like the gas tax and such. Everyone complains and refuses to increase taxes to cover increased costs...so service is going to suffer some where. Would you rather see plowing less often with less salt use, or more teachers cut from schools?

And go slap all those people who live in MI and buy all their gas in OH, WI, and IN.
quit whing about taxes? are you insane?

besides, I think you missed the point. I'm not saying there shouldnt be taxes to pay for these services, I just wish the powers that be would quit saying the new taxes are to cover these rising costs, and then waste the money on stupid other shit, like pampering illegal immigrants, buying private jets, mansions, and vacations for politicians, and handing money by the truckload out to any misrun business that asks
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Old January 8th, 2010, 08:56 AM   #28
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Salt is up this year. That's a fact. There is a sump in catch basins that catch sand. The sand can not be reused due to contamination. Years ago we used to use oil well brine. We got it for free. We can no longer use it due to contamination. There are many techniques used for ice removal. We brine roads prior to storms that we know are comming. This aids in ice removal while plowing and allows the rolled down snow to come off more easily using less blade pressure. Anyone know how many gallons per mile are used while doing this? How many pounds of salt are used per mile?
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Old January 8th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #29
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We just got 500 tons delivered yesterday. 10 gravel trains worth.

We got 500 ton delivered in october or november and already went through most of it.

And that is just doing parking lots.

Ours costs $49/ton. State contract.

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Where can I buy bulk salt in the Bay City area?
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My rock salt cost went down $100 from last year (on 2 pallets)
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Salt is up this year. That's a fact. There is a sump in catch basins that catch sand. The sand can not be reused due to contamination. Years ago we used to use oil well brine. We got it for free. We can no longer use it due to contamination. There are many techniques used for ice removal. We brine roads prior to storms that we know are comming. This aids in ice removal while plowing and allows the rolled down snow to come off more easily using less blade pressure. Anyone know how many gallons per mile are used while doing this? How many pounds of salt are used per mile?
i see. we sure wouldn't want oil and what not that came from the earth, fell on the road..essentially put back to the earth, reclaimed and then put back on the road.

we can contaminate things, but only once. then we put that into a pile and place a fence around it with a sign on the gate.
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Old January 8th, 2010, 01:06 PM   #33
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quit whing about taxes? are you insane?

besides, I think you missed the point. I'm not saying there shouldnt be taxes to pay for these services, I just wish the powers that be would quit saying the new taxes are to cover these rising costs, and then waste the money on stupid other shit, like pampering illegal immigrants, buying private jets, mansions, and vacations for politicians, and handing money by the truckload out to any misrun business that asks
I agree with you here. But they've tried to modify taxes in my area to benefit the township roads but everyone goes into an up roar about it. But there is a lot wasted on needless junk...
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i see. we sure wouldn't want oil and what not that came from the earth, fell on the road..essentially put back to the earth, reclaimed and then put back on the road.

we can contaminate things, but only once. then we put that into a pile and place a fence around it with a sign on the gate.
Try that with the MDEQ. The melt water off or trucks has to be hauled off and treated at a water tratment plant. Some nights that is close to 2000 gallons.
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Old January 8th, 2010, 07:12 PM   #35
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denver must be able to control the sand, thats what they use in there bigger snow storms

upnorth the roads seem alot drier without the use of salt....salt just seems to make a wet mess that refreezes at night, so they can salt some more
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