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Old November 21st, 2009, 12:28 AM   #41
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for the last time... what is the problem with owning a gun for self defense? no one has answered this question yet.
This part right here is just one of the problems:

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i've never shot a gun before and i really don't want to do all the training i believe is necessary to be a responsibly owner. i really don't care if tazers are illegal. so is breaking and entering and assault and they usually walk with a slap on the wrist. so...keep bashing and ragging my right to live. i'm over it. hopefully you never have to hear your family calling you for help in that type of situation. not an easy thing to hear. can't even imagine how scared she was.
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also, just taking a class and then buying a gun is not nearly enough. You stated you would never take the gun out unless you needed to, and thats about the worst thing you could do. You need experience, both handing and shooting the gun, not to mention aiming, and making the decision to use it (thats a big one right there). What would happen if you did end up in a situation where you needed the gun, but had little to no experience handing it, especially in a stressful situation? You could end up killing yourself or a family member instead, or just forcing the intruder into doing something they didnt intend to do before the gun came into the picture. Now you have an intruder, with a gun, that is registered to you...guess where that gun is going? Of course, thats only a problem to you if you are still alive after that.

Owning a gun for personal protection is every Americans right, and should be exercised. However, there are those that should not own a gun for various reasons, and those that need alot of training, experience, and questions answered before owning a gun (this is where you fall in).
There are also many other ways of protecting both yourself and your family members without owning a gun, most of which have already been mentioned here. Get a dog, get a security system with lots of lights and sirens (cameras are almost useless, what good is it after the intruder has already killed you?), start or join a neighborhood watch program, have another person move in with your grandmother, etc.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 12:43 AM   #43
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also, just taking a class and then buying a gun is not nearly enough. You stated you would never take the gun out unless you needed to, and thats about the worst thing you could do. You need experience, both handing and shooting the gun, not to mention aiming, and making the decision to use it (thats a big one right there). What would happen if you did end up in a situation where you needed the gun, but had little to no experience handing it, especially in a stressful situation? You could end up killing yourself or a family member instead, or just forcing the intruder into doing something they didnt intend to do before the gun came into the picture. Now you have an intruder, with a gun, that is registered to you...guess where that gun is going? Of course, thats only a problem to you if you are still alive after that.

Owning a gun for personal protection is every Americans right, and should be exercised. However, there are those that should not own a gun for various reasons, and those that need alot of training, experience, and questions answered before owning a gun (this is where you fall in).
There are also many other ways of protecting both yourself and your family members without owning a gun, most of which have already been mentioned here. Get a dog, get a security system with lots of lights and sirens (cameras are almost useless, what good is it after the intruder has already killed you?), start or join a neighborhood watch program, have another person move in with your grandmother, etc.


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This thread is all sorts of fail cant stand reading any farther. Does not seem like you should have a gun after reading your posts and your comment about not caring about the legality of possessing a taser is funny cause you'll be the one getting arrested. No legal taser dealer will ship to MI or any state that they are illegal. My advice to you is a dog, locks, and cell phone to call the cops.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 01:28 AM   #45
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There is nothing wrong with having a gun. The problem comes with having a gun and being clueless as to what to do with it.

If a .45 is to big for you and a 12 gauge will knock you on your ass, you sir need to go out and do some learning. Unless you are a midget.

Jumping on a forum and showing how smart you isn't a good start.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 01:37 AM   #46
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get her a dog.
"Dude, you can get past a dog. Nobody fucks with a lion."

I'm sorta into guns but don't own one and have never seen a need to. Besides, I'm not much into pistols, just long range crap like sniper rifles and Creedmoors.
It doesn't matter if I need a gun or not, if someone intrudes into my house, at that point anything becomes a weapon.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 01:42 AM   #47
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wow! i think all of about 3-4 posts were helpful. most of you didn't read everything i had written. i am now dumber for ever posting this on this board. i thought i'd be able to talk to some reasonable people about guns since it seems like alot of people here own at least one. guess i was wrong. i'll stay in the tech section from now on and consult a professional about guns. i thought my girlfriend would freak when i told i was considering one, but she pretty much ragged me for NOT having one and how she's always wanted one for that reason. did my words come off like i was going to look for someone to shoot? i had mentioned 3 times that would go above and beyond to know how to be a responsible gun owner. yes i am upset at what happened today, but if you read anything i wrote besides my sarcasm remarks, you would know i've been thinking about owning one for a while. what i meant about taking it out unless i had to was only for the reason to actually use in an emergency. i wouldn't be a responsible gun owner if i didn't take all classes, practiced shooting at a range, trying out a few different types, ect... the reason i don't own one now is because i don't know enough about them to own one. i wouldn't be a responsible owner if i didn't. i also don't live in a mansion where i have the time to gather my family into a safe place and get my phone from the kitchen to call the cops. i completely agree with all that have said not to get one out of anger. if you want to be a legal and shit, you can't go out and buy one the next anyways. i guess you can if you buy one illegally. that's not being a responsible gun owner now is it? i'm done with this here.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 02:02 AM   #48
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wow! i think all of about 3-4 posts were helpful. most of you didn't read everything i had written. i am now dumber for ever posting this on this board. i thought i'd be able to talk to some reasonable people about guns since it seems like alot of people here own at least one. guess i was wrong. i'll stay in the tech section from now on and consult a professional about guns. i thought my girlfriend would freak when i told i was considering one, but she pretty much ragged me for NOT having one and how she's always wanted one for that reason. did my words come off like i was going to look for someone to shoot? i had mentioned 3 times that would go above and beyond to know how to be a responsible gun owner. yes i am upset at what happened today, but if you read anything i wrote besides my sarcasm remarks, you would know i've been thinking about owning one for a while. what i meant about taking it out unless i had to was only for the reason to actually use in an emergency. i wouldn't be a responsible gun owner if i didn't take all classes, practiced shooting at a range, trying out a few different types, ect... the reason i don't own one now is because i don't know enough about them to own one. i wouldn't be a responsible owner if i didn't. i also don't live in a mansion where i have the time to gather my family into a safe place and get my phone from the kitchen to call the cops. i completely agree with all that have said not to get one out of anger. if you want to be a legal and shit, you can't go out and buy one the next anyways. i guess you can if you buy one illegally. that's not being a responsible gun owner now is it? i'm done with this here.

Good. You sound like a jackass that should not possess a gun. Thank you.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 02:10 AM   #49
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Given that you have no experience at all with guns (and your posts clearly indicate and confirm that), you would clearly profit from receiving some instruction and training prior to purchasing a firearm.

Shotguns have considerable recoil, and are probably not best for the beginner; they are also more difficult to manipulate in close quarters and they are more difficult (without training) to retain. Semi-automatic handguns require a fair amount of diligent practice in order to be efficient when the adrenaline is pumping during an emergency. For these reasons, I'd recommend a revolver, which has a simpler operation. Avoid the magnum calibers until you're well practiced. I'd recommend a .38 Special caliber. Avoid the off-brands, and stay with a good brand name like Smith & Wesson, Colt, Ruger, etc.

Also, keep in mind that the lighter a gun weighs, in any given caliber, the more it will recoil; this has a proportionate negative effect on second and subsequwent shots. People usually choose light-weight handguns becasue they're easier and more comfortable to conceal on the person. Since you are considering the purchase of a firearm for home defense reasons, light weight doesn't have to be a factor. Nor does size.

If you insist on getting a semi-auto, get one that does not need to have a safety or decocking lever manually manipulated. I'd recommend a full-size service pistol in 9mm Luger caliber. Two of the best, and typically under $500 or so, are the Glock 17 and the S&W M&P 9. Also consider the Springfield Armory XD-9.

For a revolver, I'd recommend a Smith & Wesson or a Ruger with 4" barrel and chambered in .38 Special caliber.

But, please, get some training and instruction first. An NRA Self Defense course is a good start. Contact a sportsmans club or a good gunshop/pistol range in your area. They can give you information on local classes.

Also, keep in mind that when using deadly force to defend yourself or innocents against an aggressor, you must be under threat of death or serious bodily injury. If you do use such force, your intent should be to stop the aggression, not to "scare off" the attacker, and the use of such force might result in death or serious injury to the attacker.

I carry a handgun every day. I have had to use a firearm numerous times in the past, both military and LE. It is not fun or something to brag about. I hope I never have to use it again. But if necessary, I would. Your posts suggest that you need to do some long and serious thinking about your decisions in this matter.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:08 AM   #50
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Bottom line: You are too much of a retard to own a fire arm.

Please do the rest of us gun owners a favor and just keep a Louisville Slugger in your closet. Those work just as well for people like you
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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:42 AM   #51
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How about a 12 gauge pump unloaded? Hear me out. Don't you think that most scumbags breaking into a house know what the clack-clack sounds like and would damn near shat themselves trying to get out of the house since they don't want to be at the wrong end of that. And if any of them get loud, swing it like a basebat. And for the ultimate scare, place a laser site on it.

Sure you're not using a gun to shot someone, but they won't be able to take it away from you and shot YOU with it.

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wow! i think all of about 3-4 posts were helpful. most of you didn't read everything i had written. i am now dumber for ever posting this on this board. i thought i'd be able to talk to some reasonable people about guns since it seems like alot of people here own at least one. guess i was wrong. i'll stay in the tech section from now on and consult a professional about guns. i thought my girlfriend would freak when i told i was considering one, but she pretty much ragged me for NOT having one and how she's always wanted one for that reason. did my words come off like i was going to look for someone to shoot? i had mentioned 3 times that would go above and beyond to know how to be a responsible gun owner. yes i am upset at what happened today, but if you read anything i wrote besides my sarcasm remarks, you would know i've been thinking about owning one for a while. what i meant about taking it out unless i had to was only for the reason to actually use in an emergency. i wouldn't be a responsible gun owner if i didn't take all classes, practiced shooting at a range, trying out a few different types, ect... the reason i don't own one now is because i don't know enough about them to own one. i wouldn't be a responsible owner if i didn't. i also don't live in a mansion where i have the time to gather my family into a safe place and get my phone from the kitchen to call the cops. i completely agree with all that have said not to get one out of anger. if you want to be a legal and shit, you can't go out and buy one the next anyways. i guess you can if you buy one illegally. that's not being a responsible gun owner now is it? i'm done with this here.
the post I quoted indicated not only were you not interested in being a responsible gun owner (and I quote) cause you were not interested in pursuing all of the training, but you then exacerbated the problem admitting that you were fine violating the law via the use of a tazer -

one of the fundamental truths most gun owners adhere to, and cling dearly to as gun ownership is a constitutional right is that they adhere to the laws.

when a gun owner (or more typically possessor) violates laws, acts irresponsibly it makes it all the more difficult for those that are responsible gun owners to defend their rights to own said guns. I do not know many gun owners willing that are willing to lose their constitutionally mandated right of ownership by being willing to commit a felony such as "finishing him off", the use of tazers or any of the other nonsense and drivel you ranted on about in this thread. (remember you stated/posted/typed it - whether you meant to, or joked is irrelevant)

You appear to fall into one or more of several categories:
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or a troll

you claim you came seeking answers - the answers did not make you "dumber" for posting here, you just didn't like the answers. sorta like when my 7 year old son asks for a candy bar and I tell him not before dinner.

quit acting like a twat, and grow up.
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quit acting like a twat, and grow up.

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I don't think you should probably own a gun.
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You really don't understand the concept. Too much "education" from movies, etc... Charles Bronson, Steven Seagal, etc... movies are fiction - bad fiction.

Why "lightweight"? Gonna try and carry without a CPL?

Take a GOOD CPL class, and pay attention. Then consider if a gun's for you.

If not, look into other alternatives:

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A similar situation happened to my great grandma, 83 y/o home alone. 2 guys tried to get in her house. She grabbed a shot gun went to the door they were at, racked a round. She advised them that she would "blow their God blessed head off if they came in, and she was calling the cops. 2 weeks later a older lady down the road was the victim of a robbery, and assult.
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wow! i think all of about 3-4 posts were helpful. most of you didn't read everything i had written. i am now dumber for ever posting this on this board.i thought i'd be able to talk to some reasonable people about guns since it seems like alot of people here own at least one. guess i was wrong. i'll stay in the tech section from now on and consult a professional about guns. i thought my girlfriend would freak when i told i was considering one, but she pretty much ragged me for NOT having one and how she's always wanted one for that reason. did my words come off like i was going to look for someone to shoot? i had mentioned 3 times that would go above and beyond to know how to be a responsible gun owner. yes i am upset at what happened today, but if you read anything i wrote besides my sarcasm remarks, you would know i've been thinking about owning one for a while. what i meant about taking it out unless i had to was only for the reason to actually use in an emergency. i wouldn't be a responsible gun owner if i didn't take all classes, practiced shooting at a range, trying out a few different types, ect... the reason i don't own one now is because i don't know enough about them to own one. i wouldn't be a responsible owner if i didn't. i also don't live in a mansion where i have the time to gather my family into a safe place and get my phone from the kitchen to call the cops. i completely agree with all that have said not to get one out of anger. if you want to be a legal and shit, you can't go out and buy one the next anyways. i guess you can if you buy one illegally. that's not being a responsible gun owner now is it? i'm done with this here.
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