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Old November 20th, 2009, 09:32 AM   #1
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God damn it all. It pisses me off to no end that they haven't killed everything in that stupid river. F*cking goverment f*cking it up again. Just what our state needs... losing a major tourism draw that is one of the things still making us money. I hope it's not as bad as they say it will be.

Mega depressing. I don't want to lose the trout, salmon, and EVERYTHING fishing. F*ck.

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Asian carp may have breached barrier
By Dan Egan of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Nov. 19, 2009

The decade-old battle to keep Asian carp out of the Great Lakes might be over.

New research shows the fish likely have made it past the $9 million electric fish barrier on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, a source familiar with the situation told the Journal Sentinel late Thursday.

The barrier is considered the last chance to stop the super-sized fish that can upend entire ecosystems, and recent environmental DNA tests showed that the carp had advanced to within a mile of the barrier.

That research backed the federal government into a desperate situation because the barrier must be turned off within a couple of weeks for regular maintenance. The plan is to spend some $1.5 million to temporarily poison the canal so the maintenance work can be done.

But even as those plans are being finalized the news everyone dreaded came: It might be too late.

Now the only thing left standing between the fish and Lake Michigan is a heavily used navigational lock.

Army Corps officials declined to comment on the situation.

"I am not prepared to discuss this today, but I will be prepared to discuss this tomorrow," Col. Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago District of the Army Corps of Engineers, said when asked about news that the fish had breached the barrier.

The Army Corps, along with its state and federal partners in the barrier's design and operation, has scheduled a news conference for 10 a.m. Friday.

The fish that can grow to 50 pounds or more are a big deal because they are voracious feeders, overwhelming native species, and they pose a huge hazard to recreational boaters because of their habit of jumping out of the water when agitated by the whir of a boat motor.

No fish have been found, but a new type of DNA testing that can show the presence of fish in the water shows that the barrier does not appear to have worked at stopping all the fish.

"We've got some bad problems," Dan Thomas, president of the Great Lakes Sport Fishing Council, said when told the news.

Thomas said the plan to poison the canal is going to have to grow to cover areas above the barrier, which is about 20 miles downstream from the Lake Michigan shoreline.

"Unless we treat that canal real quick as far up as we can, then we can almost be assured that they're on their way into the lake," he said.

For several years, the northern migration of the silver carp had stalled in a pool just above the Dresden Island Lock and Dam on the Des Plaines River southwest of Joliet, Ill. - about 20 miles downstream from the barrier.

In August, the Journal Sentinel learned the environmental DNA testing that biologists had quietly begun using on the canal revealed that the fish had started to move again. It's been all hands on deck ever since.

In addition to plans to poison the river, the Army Corps is scrambling to build a twin to the new barrier. It also is looking at building an emergency berm to prevent the fish from riding floodwaters from the carp-infested Des Plaines River into the canal above the barrier.

The two species of Asian carp threatening to invade Lake Michigan are silver and bighead carp. It's not known which species - or whether both species - have been detected above the barrier with DNA tests.

Silver carp are considered the bigger threat to the economy, ecology and culture of the Great Lakes because of their penchant for leaping out of the water and injuring boaters.

Silver carp were imported to Arkansas in the 1960s where they were used in federally funded sewage treatment experiments.

They escaped their containment ponds soon thereafter and have been swimming north since.







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Old November 20th, 2009, 09:36 AM   #2
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Old November 20th, 2009, 09:38 AM   #3
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Not matter the measures they take to prevent them they will make it into all ecosystems. I believe these carp have already made it into lake Michigan already and other bodies of water. The option they should probably be looking at is how to keep the population under control.
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Old November 20th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #4
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i wonder if they are good at math being asian lmao and i know about a dozen asian people and yes they ace math all the time lol
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Old November 20th, 2009, 10:07 AM   #5
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Bus a shitload of ninjas to the lake and arm them with fishing poles. Problem gone.
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Old November 20th, 2009, 10:20 AM   #6
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if you consider the damage done by all the other introduced pest to the lakes it could actually be a good thing? if you consider how fast these carp can bread and the fact they have huge abilties for eatting crap and other fish they may solve the Lampry & barbed shrimp problems on their own. on the flip side of things...

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Old November 20th, 2009, 10:21 AM   #7
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I wonder if the DNR will make you get a fishing licence if the fish jump in your boat on their own?
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Old November 20th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #8
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Bus a shitload of ninjas to the lake and arm them with fishing poles. Problem gone.

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that and some rednecks (me) and a boat and a 12 gauge and when they fly out of the water shoot them
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Old December 31st, 2009, 09:02 PM   #9
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Why does poisoning the canal sound like a plain stupid idea to me?
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Old December 31st, 2009, 09:27 PM   #10
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Silver carp were imported to Arkansas in the 1960s where they were used in federally funded sewage treatment experiments.

They escaped their containment ponds soon thereafter and have been swimming north since.
Poop fish, quite the elusive little creature.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 01:27 PM   #11
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bow fish them now!
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Old January 4th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #12
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Why does poisoning the canal sound like a plain stupid idea to me?
it sounds horrible i know. the dnr did it to foote pond on the Au Sable 2 years ago. it killed about 75 percent of the carp. all other fish were fine. i actually swam in it and didnt even know. you should have seen the huge carp washing up on shore. they were massive!

it will not stop the asian carp. nothing will. we better learn to like catching them. i think a bounty on them would help, but it will only go so far.

catching a 50 lb fish could be fun.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #13
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They are the Kudzu of the fish world.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #14
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some drunk FIP is going to think its funny to catch one and let it go in lake michigan, and flush millions of state funds down the shitter.

and probably post a video of it on youtube
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #15
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they are already here.
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Where? I haven't heard of any run-ins yet.
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they prolly are here.... that article is 2 months old
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They are going to kill the fishing in every great lake and river/stream of shoot of the great lakes. if you think the zebra muscle are terrible the carp will be a hundred times worse. you can kiss all fishing besides the carp good buy. I say with in the next ten years they will have made a huge impact on the waterways. damn asian terrorists!!!
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Poop fish, quite the elusive little creature.
would this be the often talked about but rarely seen "Boneless Brown" trout?
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lol, good bye 6 billion dollars a year in sport fishing. king salmon are non native and invasive, same as brown trout, coho etc... no one seems to remember that...... I am getting ready to move to florida anyways. tarpon, snook, bonefish>steelhead, kings and coho.
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