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Old November 10th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #41
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WRONG! With a Proper understanding of the bible (in it's entirety) and the Christian Faith you would clearly see that is not what we are called to do, AT ALL!.. You're full of it.
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Does the bible say it, or does it not? I understand that you believe that you have a proper understanding which allows you to ignore those verses that don't line up with what you want to believe.
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Don't worry, it's not my job to teach a religion class or an atheism class. I don't even really cover the scientific method, I'm a social studies teacher. I did teach a science section in a summer program this summer, it was fun. As a social studies teach though, I would cover the the atrocities committed by various religions but only had time to dump on Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition is the most fun, I think.

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Old November 10th, 2009, 07:22 PM   #42
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Don't worry, it's not my job to teach a religion class or an atheism class. I don't even really cover the scientific method, I'm a social studies teacher. I did teach a science section in a summer program this summer, it was fun. As a social studies teach though, I have and would cover the the atrocities committed by various religions including Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition is the most fun, I think.

As long as you keep it straight facts, I don't care what you teach. It's when personal ideas/thoughts get mixed in there is when I have a Problem. Not saying this happens with you, just saying.


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WRONG! With a Proper understanding of the bible (in it's entirety) and the Christian Faith you would clearly see that is not what we are called to do, AT ALL!.. You're full of it.
Does the bible say it, or does it not? I understand that you believe that you have a proper understanding which allows you to ignore those verses that don't line up with what you want to believe.
The Bible does say that, but the bible also teaches that Christ came to abolish the old law by fullfilling it. Christianity teaches the Teachings of Christ; the main two commandments being: 1) Love The Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul 2) Love your Neighbor as yourself. The first of these two is part of the Old Testement laws. The Second was braught into the picture by Christ.

The Old testement laws were specific because of the absence of the holy spirit in those people. They didn't have it to help them Decern what is sin or not. That doesn't mean we can't learn from those commandments, but if one condredicts Christs teaching then we won't follow it. This is what I mean when I say "Understanding of the Bible".

You need to make the Clear Distinction between The Hebrew Religion and Chrsitian Religion. Christianity was born from the Hebrew religion but it is not the Hebrew Religion. The Hebrew Religion is the "past" of the Christian Religion. The Future only lies on Christs Sacrifice on the cross.


Also please keep in mind that I was not the one that braught up Christianity, You did. LIke you always do. Even though you say you don't have something agianst it.
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As long as you keep it straight facts, I don't care what you teach. It's when personal ideas/thoughts get mixed in there is when I have a Problem. Not saying this happens with you, just saying.




The Bible does say that, but the bible also teaches that Christ came to abolish the old law by fullfilling it. Christianity teaches the Teachings of Christ; the main two commandments being: 1) Love The Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul 2) Love your Neighbor as yourself. The first of these two is part of the Old Testement laws. The Second was braught into the picture by Christ.

The Old testement laws were specific because of the absence of the holy spirit in those people. They didn't have it to help them Decern what is sin or not. That doesn't mean we can't learn from those commandments, but if one condredicts Christs teaching then we won't follow it. This is what I mean when I say "Understanding of the Bible".

You need to make the Clear Distinction between The Hebrew Religion and Chrsitian Religion. Christianity was born from the Hebrew religion but it is not the Hebrew Religion. The Hebrew Religion is the "past" of the Christian Religion. The Future only lies on Christs Sacrifice on the cross.


Also please keep in mind that I was not the one that braught up Christianity, You did. LIke you always do. Even though you say you don't have something agianst it.
I apologize, I did say Christians, I should have said Jews. Either way, people pick and choose with religious beliefs. Obviously not all muslims are out trying to kill the infidel, just like not all Jews are out trying to burn witches or kill people who gather sticks on the sabbath.
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I apologize, I did say Christians, I should have said Jews. Either way, people pick and choose with religious beliefs. Obviously not all muslims are out trying to kill the infidel, just like not all Jews are out trying to burn witches or kill people who gather sticks on the sabbath.
You my friend are one mis-guided and confused puppy. How do you teach with all the confusion in your head? I sure hope you keep those personal thoughts to yourself and not share with your students
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You my friend are one mis-guided and confused puppy. How do you teach with all the confusion in your head? I sure hope you keep those personal thoughts to yourself and not share with your students
I'm saying not all religious people are bad because some of them choose not to do the bad things that there sacred texts ask them to. I'm not confused, I know the difference between the Old Testament (Torah) and the New Testament. I misspoke.
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What does any of this have to do with this guy being a terrorist? If you kill in the name of your religion your a terrorist muslim ,christian or whatever.
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What does any of this have to do with this guy being a terrorist? If you kill in the name of your religion your a terrorist muslim ,christian or whatever.
you have to go back a page, when I quoted the article about not labeling all muslim's as terrorists.
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Your right mike, he is a "man-made-disasterist"
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you have to go back a page, when I quoted the article about not labeling all muslim's as terrorists.
Ya it's funny that way. Thats like calling all christian's clinic bomber's .
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Your right mike, he is a "man-made-disasterist"
He's a piece of shit.
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I apologize, I did say Christians, I should have said Jews. Either way, people pick and choose with religious beliefs. Obviously not all muslims are out trying to kill the infidel, just like not all Jews are out trying to burn witches or kill people who gather sticks on the sabbath.
Yeah, It's about the extremes of those religions. I would hope that most muslims that see what terrorists are doing in the name of thier god would be outraged. It's not a Fair or Acurate Represenation of thier religion. I can Sympathize with them because of the stupid and Selfish things people do in the name of God/Christ. I know it's impossible to figure out but I would be interested to see a Pie chart indicating what percentage of Muslims are Extremeist Ghadists and what ones are not. I think the Percentages would surprise some of the people on this site and in our country.

On which side this guy is on, I have no idea. Sounds to me like he could have just snapped. It reminds me of the Dentist Riddle. Which one dentist do you go to? The one with good teeth or bad teeth? Bad teeth because he can't work on his own teeth. Maybe the same could be said about him, Maybe he was a really good shrink and the rest weren't that great.

BTW, When ever the witches debate comes up I can't help but think of Monty Python. "Burn Her" "Small Pebbles"
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Yeah, It's about the extremes of those religions. I would hope that most muslims that see what terrorists are doing in the name of thier god would be outraged. It's not a Fair or Acurate Represenation of thier religion. I can Sympathize with them because of the stupid and Selfish things people do in the name of God/Christ. I know it's impossible to figure out but I would be interested to see a Pie chart indicating what percentage of Muslims are Extremeist Ghadists and what ones are not. I think the Percentages would surprise some of the people on this site and in our country.

On which side this guy is on, I have no idea. Sounds to me like he could have just snapped. It reminds me of the Dentist Riddle. Which one dentist do you go to? The one with good teeth or bad teeth? Bad teeth because he can't work on his own teeth. Maybe the same could be said about him, Maybe he was a really good shrink and the rest weren't that great.

BTW, When ever the witches debate comes up I can't help but think of Monty Python. "Burn Her" "Small Pebbles"
According to what I have heard about this guy he did not just snap. This was a planned attack. One does not jump on a table and call out how great his god is and then start shooting in his name. This guy had been in contact with terrorists(alkyda) and had attended mosques which 9/11 terrorists also attended. We need not sympythize with this man he had a plan to kill as many american solders as possible then himself, which he was not successful in doing. Now I can see him shot for treason and put in front of a firing squad.
If the peace loving muslims do not condem this act then they themselves are jusy as guilty of condoning jihad actions. And they wonder why they are profiled against when not one will stand up against these type of radicals.
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According to what I have heard about this guy he did not just snap. This was a planned attack. One does not jump on a table and call out how great his god is and then start shooting in his name. This guy had been in contact with terrorists(alkyda) and had attended mosques which 9/11 terrorists also attended. We need not sympythize with this man he had a plan to kill as many american solders as possible then himself, which he was not successful in doing. Now I can see him shot for treason and put in front of a firing squad.
If the peace loving muslims do not condem this act then they themselves are jusy as guilty of condoning jihad actions. And they wonder why they are profiled against when not one will stand up against these type of radicals.
I didn't hear that part of the story. I didn't say I sympathize with this guy, I said I sympathize with the Peacefull Muslims that are out there. They now have one more ugly example of Extremeists in thier Religion. Just like we do In Christianity. I'm sure that alot of the Peacefull Muslims do Condem these kind of actions but you'll never hear about it. This world focuses on Negitive press. And I personally don't think most "Muslim Looking" people are to blame for profiling. It's just how our country is.
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What you never hear about is the peaceful muslims ratting out the extremists. That is something that muslims do not do. They may not openly condone or participate, but they don't offer up the bad guys. And in that way they offer shelter through their silence.
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i like the firing squad idea, but use tanks!
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I don't care his motive. Hang him or put him in front of the firing squad. If he acted alone, we're done with him. If he acted as part of a terrorist group, they know it and it will send a message to them. Either way, it's a win for us to be done with him.

Agreed. And I am sure he will get what is coming to him.

But there are plenty of people talking about motive, and this is starting to become another divisive topic as many are jumping on the terrorist bandwagon without all of the facts.
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But there are plenty of people talking about motive, and this is starting to become another divisive topic as many are jumping on the terrorist bandwagon without all of the facts.
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1. Muslim.
2. Numerous contacts to al qaeda recruiter.
3. Says U.S. is waging war on Islam.
4. Enters room full of U.S.G.I.s shouting "allahu ackbar".
5. Shoots and kills 13.

You think the Obama diminished capacity reference should get him off?

Aside from terrorist, his oath as a soldier makes him Treasonous.

Maybe he ate a twinkie or the neighbors do was barking at him, but it pretty much looks like a faithful muslim on the path to righteousness.

And even though there are plenty condemning the act (not the actor), it would be better if a few good muslims turned these followers in BEFORE they pile up bodies. Until that happens....
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