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Old November 9th, 2009, 08:31 AM   #21
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So will everybody else, except politicians, that is.
Yeah, I was more or less saying that there a good group of people on here that are older. It sucks even more for us Younger guys because alot of us haven't even started our normal Careers and we'll be stuck picking up the slack before we can even get on our Feet. Sucks.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 09:02 AM   #22
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from what I've read, the public option is not subsidized, people have to pay premiums just like any other insurance company and their care is provided via the funds that are paid in.
wrong.

do you realize that if it were to pass with the state op out option, and michigan opted out, you are still going to get taxed for the government run option.

as said before keep reading.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 09:16 AM   #23
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Old November 9th, 2009, 10:20 AM   #24
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This bill is shit. I've got into the first 800 plus pages, reading every page, everbody keeps picking one paraghraph or sentence to say the bill is good or bad, overall it sucks...It's going to cost EVERBODY more money, and your going to be at the mercy of the government regarding your insurance coverage. They also have provisions to fine you if you don't have insurance, the kicker on this is when you get fined your not covered on the government program, also the fine is structured that if you no longer have private insurance you can go to the government option , but the government has the option to dump you at their descrection. Now you will be fined with no insurance and no way to get any....Sweeet.

There is also about 10,000 different policing agencies that will be formed to watch each other watch the insurance companies.

Nice that there will be a 5.4% tax on people making 500k. Thats 27,000 dollars of descrimination based on income.

Also a ton of affirmitive action type descrimination that you will pay for.

The bill sucks for everybody that is an American.
section 115 is joke as well. basically saying that your treatment will be assessed in real time based on your ability to pay for it at time of treatment. (page 77 item 17)

also right in the beginning they state that the individual cost of the government plan premium cannot exceed 125% of comparable private market plan of equal coverage.
Let's translate that: are going to charge you 25% more than what you pay for your current plan.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #25
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U.S. Representatives from Michigan voted along party lines Saturday on HR 3962.

Aye: John Conyers (D MI-14), John Dingell (D MI-15), Dale Kildee (D MI-5), Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D MI-13), Sander Levin (D MI-12), Gary Peters (D MI-9), Mark Schauer (D MI-7), Bart Stupak (D MI-1)

Nay: Dave Camp (R MI-4), Vern Ehlers (R MI-3), Pete Hoekstra (R MI-2), Thaddeus McCotter (R MI-11), Candice Miller (R MI-10), Mike Rogers (R MI-8), Fred Upton (R MI-6).
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Old November 9th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #26
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Fuck that - every time I write either one of those fucksticks, I get a letter (or an e-mail, if that's what I sent) thanking me for my support of them.

When I call, either the line is busy or the mailbox is full. Nothing short of those two idiots dying in a house fire will start any change in Michigan.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 06:48 PM   #27
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Fuck that - every time I write either one of those fucksticks, I get a letter (or an e-mail, if that's what I sent) thanking me for my support of them.

When I call, either the line is busy or the mailbox is full. Nothing short of those two idiots dying in a house fire will start any change in Michigan.
Have you tried calling both D.C. and MI office? Seems most of the time if I can't get one I can get an answer from a person at the other #.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #28
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section 115 is joke as well. basically saying that your treatment will be assessed in real time based on your ability to pay for it at time of treatment. (page 77 item 17)

also right in the beginning they state that the individual cost of the government plan premium cannot exceed 125% of comparable private market plan of equal coverage.
Let's translate that: are going to charge you 25% more than what you pay for your current plan.
and what that basically means is if your dying with cancer but your broke....then you die.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 11:10 PM   #29
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and what that basically means is if your dying with cancer but your broke....then you die.
exactly. despite the money they will have you pay in.
not to mention in order for them to decide in real time they would have to have access into all of your financials
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