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Old November 5th, 2009, 10:28 AM   #1
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I just thought that number was unbelievable. Are there not only like 8 or 9 million in the state?

Your tax dollars hard at work supporting peopel who don't support themselves.

About 1 million people are uninsured. In National health care passes that is another million people we have to pay for. About 1/3 the state!
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I work around the health insurance industry. Mediad is not alway for "peopel who don't support themselves". Some people do work hard but just don't make enough or have lost a job. As we all know the job market in Michigan SUCKS right now.
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My daughter works but is on Medicaid. I would have kept her on my insurance but the company said I can't if she's not in school full time.(only part time) it took me 16 months to straighten out the mess since they showed her as dropped but kept billing my insurance and then to top it off she had her second kid and the Medicaid people were denying it because the company insurance kept showing up as in effect 16 months after the fact...what a mess.
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I work around the health insurance industry. Mediad is not alway for "peopel who don't support themselves". Some people do work hard but just don't make enough or have lost a job. As we all know the job market in Michigan SUCKS right now.

Whatever it's just another reason people don't have to try for themselves. Why try when things are handed to you? welfare, food stamps, health care.

In 96 Medicaid cost 5.3 billion with just over 1 million people now it is around 10 billion dollars of our budget. it about doubled and if national health care goes through, add another third to that easilty.
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Whatever it's just another reason people don't have to try for themselves. Why try when things are handed to you? welfare, food stamps, health care.

In 96 Medicaid cost 5.3 billion with just over 1 million people now it is around 10 billion dollars of our budget. it about doubled and if national health care goes through, add another third to that easilty.
Fuck you. As was stated above, you think that everyone who is on it wants to be on it? Or that maybe, it does do what it is supposed to for some people, and covers them when they are working their ass off, but can not receive health care.
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fuck you ya prick i feel no need to go into further detail
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Fuck you. As was stated above, you think that everyone who is on it wants to be on it? Or that maybe, it does do what it is supposed to for some people, and covers them when they are working their ass off, but can not receive health care.
Right because everyone on it is trying so hard to better themselves, and no one is just milking the system.
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Oh it looks like we have a couple people who think they deserve health care and everyone else should pay for it.
And like most social programs there is a need but it is WAY to abused.
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fuck you ya prick i feel no need to go into further detail
At least offer some sort of discussion. Maybe my view is all wrong, maybe there is a good reason 10 billion out of MI's projected 44 billion budget should go to medicaid. It just seems outrageous to me when we are in a huge deficit and they are cutting other areas and there are talks about raising taxes, again.
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Right because everyone on it is trying so hard to better themselves, and no one is just milking the system.
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Oh it looks like we have a couple people who think they deserve health care and everyone else should pay for it.
And like most social programs there is a need but it is WAY to abused.
Both of you people speak in absolutes; I hate when people do this.

I, for one, hope you and/or someone you love fall on such hard times as to not be able to afford health insurance.
But that's not all.
I hope that while you're struggling to keep your home/car/furniture from being taken away, you and/or someone you love gets incredibly ill, to the point on near death, and you have to go to the hospital not only to be well, but to actually survive (because you will have put it off that long).

Only then, you might see that some of the people that use this system use it out of need and not out of laziness.

Think of it this way - something happens to you/your job/finances and you have $1000 a month to spend.
If $500 goes to rent, $200 to car payment/insurance and $300 to feed your family, where does the money come from to purchase insurance?

Medicaid takes care of these people in need - and that's what needs to be fixed. Both of you guys need to stop listening to propaganda and start thinking for yourselves - unless you're truly that lucky to have never been without health insurance when you needed it most.
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Well said Scooter

It is there for those in need. Just because it gets abused does not mean that people that use it for a short time are not trying to better themselves and get off it asap. Shit happens and good people need a hand sometimes.

Would you tell someone, that was laid off due to no fault of their own, that their kid does not deserve to have health care because dad cant find a job?

I have never had to use it as of now. I have been busting my ass working hard for everything I have and paying my share to Uncle Sam for the last 25 years (I am only 36). You can bet if I need to use Medicaid to keep my family healty until I can get back on my feet I would.

I am lucky my wife gets good insurance for her and my son from her work. Not everybody is that lucky.
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Both of you people speak in absolutes; I hate when people do this.

I, for one, hope you and/or someone you love fall on such hard times as to not be able to afford health insurance.
But that's not all.
I hope that while you're struggling to keep your home/car/furniture from being taken away, you and/or someone you love gets incredibly ill, to the point on near death, and you have to go to the hospital not only to be well, but to actually survive (because you will have put it off that long).

Only then, you might see that some of the people that use this system use it out of need and not out of laziness.

Think of it this way - something happens to you/your job/finances and you have $1000 a month to spend.
If $500 goes to rent, $200 to car payment/insurance and $300 to feed your family, where does the money come from to purchase insurance?

Medicaid takes care of these people in need - and that's what needs to be fixed. Both of you guys need to stop listening to propaganda and start thinking for yourselves - unless you're truly that lucky to have never been without health insurance when you needed it most.
I don't think either one of these people are saying "ALL" people are abusing the system. As you stated "SOME" people do have a need for this assistance but are questioning WHY so many and like ALL government run programs their is corruption and abuse.
Using your example above, if the person put money away and didn't live beyond their means, they might not be in a position for needed asisstance. Sell the car, reduce the insurance, move to a smaller place for less rent.

I have gone without insurance in the past and know what it's like to be short with money but I made sacrifices.
I am proud to say I have never been an anchor on society. I have never collected government assistance and or unemployment.
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Both of you people speak in absolutes; I hate when people do this.

I, for one, hope you and/or someone you love fall on such hard times as to not be able to afford health insurance.
But that's not all.
I hope that while you're struggling to keep your home/car/furniture from being taken away, you and/or someone you love gets incredibly ill, to the point on near death, and you have to go to the hospital not only to be well, but to actually survive (because you will have put it off that long).

Only then, you might see that some of the people that use this system use it out of need and not out of laziness.

Think of it this way - something happens to you/your job/finances and you have $1000 a month to spend.
If $500 goes to rent, $200 to car payment/insurance and $300 to feed your family, where does the money come from to purchase insurance?

Medicaid takes care of these people in need - and that's what needs to be fixed. Both of you guys need to stop listening to propaganda and start thinking for yourselves - unless you're truly that lucky to have never been without health insurance when you needed it most.
Yes, some people need it like all social programs. But it is way to abused. Yes there are needs for Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment and other programs, especially in these hard times. But back in the 90's when everyone who wanted a job could have one, there was still over 1 million people on Medicaid.

It's just another system being abused that people are taking advantage of.
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I don't think either one of these people are saying "ALL" people are abusing the system. As you stated "SOME" people do have a need for this assistance but are questioning WHY so many and like ALL government run programs their is corruption and abuse.
Using your example above, if the person put money away and didn't live beyond their means, they might not be in a position for needed asisstance. Sell the car, reduce the insurance, move to a smaller place for less rent.

I have gone without insurance in the past and know what it's like to be short with money but I made sacrifices.
I am proud to say I have never been an anchor on society. I have never collected government assistance and or unemployment.
A few problems.

Sell the car - lose the job. Move to another place where you have to provide proof of income? In a society where it is damn near impossible to evict someone - especially with children?

You're making excuses and putting yourself above people you think are below you. You're proud to have never used government assistance, even though you lived through hard times yourself. That is commendable, but for every scenario you give where the people shouldn't have to use it, I can give you multiple that need it.

Another example - someone I know makes a good wage as an engineer and her husband works in a family business. Her employer provides decent healthcare, yet, she has a son that requires lots of medical attention and plenty of bills that aren't covered.

Say that she loses her job and can't find another (automotive industry is a shitty place to work)? Now, she has a COBRA payment of $650/month to keep the healthcare for the next six months - then it's gone.
That is most of an unemployment check right there.

Now, the house they live in (and could afford) is upside down in its mortgage because of the recent housing trouble - so they can't sell it for what they owe.

Next, according to you, the one reliable car they share needs to be sold as it is obviously a luxury. Now they have to rely on the husband's 20 year old pickup to get him to work, their son to the doctor and provide her transportation to look for a job.

Again, this is what medicaid is there to help with.


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I work around the health insurance industry. Mediad is not alway for "peopel who don't support themselves". Some people do work hard but just don't make enough or have lost a job. As we all know the job market in Michigan SUCKS right now.



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Whatever it's just another reason people don't have to try for themselves. Why try when things are handed to you? welfare, food stamps, health care.

I understand the frustration of paying for people that don't deserve the benefits, but he (and many others) lump everybody in one category when they complain about this: Lazy & Worthless.
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It is another reason for people not to try. I am not saying everyone who is on Medicaid isn't trying to better themselves or doesn't need it but when so many things are offered for free, there is less incentive to do better. There is a post in the pub about EBT cards and their abuse. Those same people are probably on Medicaid. If they are handed free health care and free food, where is the incentive for them to try to do better?
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Example of what I think needs to be fixed.
Urgent care centers with drug seekers in every 3rd day complaining of a migrane. One individual(on medicaid) has been in for over 130 visits this year alone. Average cost is $300 per visit. Still can't deny them the visit. That shit needs to be addressed. It's those people who are racking up the bills. Same place, mother has had child in probably 40 times this year. Runny nose, "Had a slight cough when he woke up this morning" Can't tell her not to bring kid in, that's not doing the job. That shit needs to stop. At the end of the day, taxes pay for all of it. The abuse of the systems needs to be addressed for any of it to succeed and not suck the country dry. My $.02
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Example of what I think needs to be fixed.
Urgent care centers with drug seekers in every 3rd day complaining of a migrane. One individual(on medicaid) has been in for over 130 visits this year alone. Average cost is $300 per visit. Still can't deny them the visit. That shit needs to be addressed. It's those people who are racking up the bills. Same place, mother has had child in probably 40 times this year. Runny nose, "Had a slight cough when he woke up this morning" Can't tell her not to bring kid in, that's not doing the job. That shit needs to stop. At the end of the day, taxes pay for all of it. The abuse of the systems needs to be addressed for any of it to succeed and not suck the country dry. My $.02

This is what frustrates me the most, cases like this. Why would any of these people ever want to do better for themselves when things are handed to them? Hell, now they can get a free government cell phone to talk on when they are in the urgent care waiting room.
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A few problems.

Sell the car - lose the job. Move to another place where you have to provide proof of income? In a society where it is damn near impossible to evict someone - especially with children?

You're making excuses and putting yourself above people you think are below you. You're proud to have never used government assistance, even though you lived through hard times yourself. That is commendable, but for every scenario you give where the people shouldn't have to use it, I can give you multiple that need it.

Another example - someone I know makes a good wage as an engineer and her husband works in a family business. Her employer provides decent healthcare, yet, she has a son that requires lots of medical attention and plenty of bills that aren't covered.

Say that she loses her job and can't find another (automotive industry is a shitty place to work)? Now, she has a COBRA payment of $650/month to keep the healthcare for the next six months - then it's gone.
That is most of an unemployment check right there.

Now, the house they live in (and could afford) is upside down in its mortgage because of the recent housing trouble - so they can't sell it for what they owe.

Next, according to you, the one reliable car they share needs to be sold as it is obviously a luxury. Now they have to rely on the husband's 20 year old pickup to get him to work, their son to the doctor and provide her transportation to look for a job.

Again, this is what medicaid is there to help with.


As far as trying to stick up for the O.P., this shows incredible room for growth:




I understand the frustration of paying for people that don't deserve the benefits, but he (and many others) lump everybody in one category when they complain about this: Lazy & Worthless.
Scoots,

I understand what medicad is there for. I am not making excuses and putting myself above others. That's B.S.
As far as your above mentioned scenario, there are just as many, if not more, the other way. Devils advocate her sir. When people question this it seems you get attacked.
I am not lumping everyone into the same category and if you read some of the posts carefully others are not as well, but let's face it, there are many that take advantage of this program and as mentioned in some, many cases, no incentive to improve!!
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3 yrs ago i was covered by medicaid because of a motorcycle accident i was in...it was the only choice i had. I had BCBS and they stuck a clause in the back of the coverage book that nobody reads about recreational motor transportation. And them i had aflac too they wouldn't give me any money for the loss time at work for my skin graph because a plastic surgeon did it and they said it was cosmetic and i didn't really need it... So thank you to all tax payers...so sometimes it looks like the system works to help people and pay there taxes, high insurance premuims..etc and still get f'd over
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