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Old October 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #101
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This is putting them or other "protected" minorities on a pedestal. As to the Shepard case, yes a motive for any crime needs to be established, but shouldn't take precedence over that act of the crime. So in say the Shepard murder, is it more important that a innocent person was killed or a gay person? I would think the fact that a innocent man was murdered would be the issue of the crime committed, his sexual preference if it had any bearing on the case would only be to show motive not the actual crime.

There has never been a law that stopped a crime, that is a fantasy. In fact that is what criminals do break laws. How would a hate crime law stop anyone from killing a minority or gay, if the law against murder won't stop them. It won't. Is that one extra law going to make that big of a difference?

How could this be bad, ever hear of equal protection under the law. Hate crime laws under mind this principle by creating a preferred group to protect. Ever noticed that the Lady of Justice is blind folded? That is because if your white, black, straight, gay, rich or poor, everyone is suppose to be the same in the eyes of the law. How do hate crime laws achieve this?
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:41 PM   #102
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yup, heard about it. Don't have a problem with it. Read up on Matthew Shepherd. Have you had a problem with the thought police when you speak negative about other people of other ethnicity? No? Then why would you be worried about it with gays?
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Ok. This isn't putting them on a pedestal. They are a more targeted group and this may help to stop crimes against them. Explain to me a plausible situation where this could be bad, not some insane bullshit about pedophiles.
Here we go again with the Sova descrimination. Lets all give one particular group special treatment while not allowing other groups the same treatment under the law...

Nice.

This is a good law for thin skinned liberal pussies, that whine and cry because someone called them a name. Same old shit, can't take care of or do for yourselves so pass a law and have the government do it.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #104
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He might be a few things but racist isnt one of them. He is just really old and gets confused sometimes.
Sure he is. He supports treating different racial groups, religious groups, or sexual orientation, differently based on there particular group. Thats being a racist or biggot.
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Sure he is. He supports treating different racial groups, religious groups, or sexual orientation, differently based on there particular group. Thats being a racist or biggot.
Wow, what a stretch.

Actually, I do not support special treatment for anyone.

With the exception of people who turn thier hate into violence against others for the express reason of that hatred alone.

Hate crime laws should be hard to prove. They should not be applied just because a person who falls into a particular catagory has been wronged.

Racist? Me? Yea, right.

I am prejudiced though, against intolerant people.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 10:13 AM   #106
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I am prejudiced though, against intolerant people.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #107
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Wow, what a stretch.

Actually, I do not support special treatment for anyone.

With the exception of people who turn thier hate into violence against others for the express reason of that hatred alone.

Hate crime laws should be hard to prove. They should not be applied just because a person who falls into a particular catagory has been wronged.

Racist? Me? Yea, right.

I am prejudiced though, against intolerant people.
Actually, I do not support special treatment for anyone.

I'm going to save this, and ever time you show support for anything or anybody that dosen't apply to all I will it along with Your a racist and a biggot.......

Ill start right now as you are singling out intolerant people.

First who makes the determination of intolerance and who falls into that category.....????? YOU.
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Wow, what a stretch.

Actually, I do not support special treatment for anyone.

With the exception of people who turn thier hate into violence against others for the express reason of that hatred alone.

Hate crime laws should be hard to prove. They should not be applied just because a person who falls into a particular catagory has been wronged.

Racist? Me? Yea, right.

I am prejudiced though, against intolerant people.
You speak of being intolerant. You do not agree with the right so that makes you intolerant to the view of the majority. But because we do not agree with you that makes us intolerant? And we are intolerant because we believe it is special treatment for a select group. Sounds like racism because of obama's policies, or no wait it is his skin color.
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Actually, I do not support special treatment for anyone.

With the exception of people who turn thier hate into violence against others for the express reason of that hatred alone.
How many violent assaults and murder are done with love intended? Take out assaults and murder due to insanity and we are left with two motives, greed (money) and hate. So by this definition unless a crime is committed for greed, it is a hate crime. Or am I missing something?
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How many violent assaults and murder are done with love intended? Take out assaults and murder due to insanity and we are left with two motives, greed (money) and hate. So by this definition unless a crime is committed for greed, it is a hate crime. Or am I missing something?
double speak. It only fools the fools.
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double speak. It only fools the fools.
Unfortunately the fools are the majority. That's why the U.S. is going down.
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Sadly I think you are correct.
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Unfortunately the fools are the majority. That's why the U.S. is going down.
What...You saying things where better when the conservative Christians where running things.........Maybe you ahould try 69ing a monkey.....You might feel better
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What...You saying things where better when the conservative Christians where running things.........Maybe you ahould try 69ing a monkey.....You might feel better
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