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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #21
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rick, she's not trying to cause trouble, you have the problem of not finding the facts yourself. we wish all the parks sucess-sorry if that confuse's you.

also what was discussed in the office was since the parks are "Business's"; and you can ask wes there rick, if you allow drinking in your campground, it must be seperated from the park by a fence so as not to allow patrons entry. That is why they have their "fence" at TT, untill they get financially stable, where they have plans to fence it all off with a seperate entrance to the parking area.

And since it is a business, the DNR can enter the property to enfore the orv and plates, most times they will not unless complaints are made, just like local and state police.

As for your opinion on not being welcomed on the properety, that's only your opinion, if it's true have WES, Donny, Gary or even Dale post it on this thread, 3 of them watch what we post anyways.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:26 PM   #22
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and before you can post it, the above was not a threat in anyway shape or form, just what ORV and park staus quo.

and if that isn't sufficient, then join us at the district offices and hear it from the officials themselves.
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And since it is a business, the DNR can enter the property to enfore the orv and plates, most times they will not unless complaints are made, just like local and state police. .
There is NO WAY that can be true. NO WHERE does it state an ORV pass is EVER required for private property. Yes, that is still private property.
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HOLY SHIT, PRIVATE PARKS SHOULD NOW HAVE ORV STICKERS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE THEN!!!!111!!1!1!11!!!1!!!oMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfG oMfGoMfGvoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGo MfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMf GoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGo MfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfGoMfG
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What about demolition derbys? I'm surprised the DNR isn't busted those things up left and right!! And those cars are clearly in an off road circumstance, and even being erosive!

What happens if their ORV sticker is properly put on a smooth surface, and the bumper is knocked off? Do they get a ticket if they go get the bumper and explain to the DNR officer that the bumper was attached to the car at the start of the event?
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #26
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There is NO WAY that can be true. NO WHERE does it state an ORV pass is EVER required for private property. Yes, that is still private property.
no shit... I didnt think it was that hard to figure out...

So when do all of these PRIVATE parks get to apply for state grants since they now require ORV stickers?

It's like a bunch of cackling women gossiping about whatever they can whether they know jack shit about it or not.
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ORV Land Use Definitions

The DNR administers over four million acres of state-owned land used for a variety of purposes. Wise use of those lands includes preserving natural features and wildlife habitat and encouraging a variety of recreational uses. Just as other users are limited in their activities in order to protect and conserve these vital resources while minimizing conflicts with other activities, ORV enthusiasts are restricted in where and how they may operate.

Signs that you may see on state roads, trails, and routes are shown on the Trail Signs page.

The following terms may be used when describing where or how ORVs may be operated on state-owned lands.

* Designated: Any place that is posted as open for ORV use with appropriate signs.
* Designated Area: An area that has signs for cross-country ORV use posted by the DNR. An ORV license is required.
* Designated Route: A forest road or other road that is designated by the DNR for ORV use.
* Forest Roads: Hard-surfaced roads, gravel or dirt roads, or other routes capable of travel by a 2‑wheel-drive, 4-wheel conventional vehicle designed for highway use, except an interstate, state, or county highway.
* Forest Trails: Designated paths or ways capable of travel only by a vehicle less than 50 inches in width.
* Highway: The entire width between the boundary lines of a way publicly maintained when any part of the way is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel.
* Designated ORV Trail: Designated paths or ways that can only be traveled by vehicles that are less than 50 inches in width. An ORV license is required.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 02:10 PM   #28
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My head is spinning mad from all the bs law in this post.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 02:25 PM   #29
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It is really very plain and simple. The ORV laws in the state of Michigan are so filled with gray areas, that the laws are left to interpretation by the various DNR Districts. Ask two different districts the same question, you get two different answers.

After years of going to ORV Advisory meetings ( we are speaking of a period over two decades ), it has been proven over and over again that most DNR officers don't even have a clue ( not entirely their fault ), so they make up their own interpretations.

The only way you can really clarify this entire topic is to take a trip to the next ORV Advisory meeting ( Nov 4th )and find out the "Real Deal". Make sure to take your blood pressure medication before you go though, those meetings will make your blood boil.

The lawmakers DO want to eliminate four wheeling on state lands and they DO want four wheeling entirely pushed off into private off road parks. They CANNOT dictate the use of ORV stickers on private off road parks without relinquishing some of their ORV dollars to the private parks, which they are NOT about to do at this time.

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well Dave & julie(since were somehow on a fisrt name basis now )for not trying to cause trouble she sure spreads a lot of it around and thats not something anyone paying attention is confused about. tell us how in "researching " orv sticker facts anything about drinking in a campground at a private off road park was brought up the officers say by the way ....while we're checking orv stickers ...you brought it up to cause shit for former friends.you guys just want to get in any dig you can . The dusters probably have the good sense not to post anything about you or you will stir more shit. why dont you post some pictures of your next trip the park they ll be from the parking lot on your way out.
seems like plenty of facts posted here to make a reasonale person realize what you posted isnt right really just because a dnr officer says something is the law dosent mean it really is the law.
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The only way you can really clarify this entire topic is to take a trip to the next ORV Advisory meeting ( Nov 4th )and find out the "Real Deal". Make sure to take your blood pressure medication before you go though, those meetings will make your blood boil.
I agree that the meetings are annoying, but the thought of what was said in this thread is totally laughable, and can not be true in any gray area. The government DOES NOT have the right to come into private property and tell consumers that they need something that is designed for STATE LAND. Sure the government over steps their boundaries in gray zones, but NO DNR REP would ever say they have the power to go unto private property and issue any forms of citation for not having an ORV permit.

And wavemaker saying that there is a difference between private property and "a business". WTF, are businesses public property now?




Here I am sitting in my office of a BUSINESS which is private property. If the police came in and said they wanted to walk around (without just reason) I can, and would tell them to get the f' out of here. Not that it would ever happen (and the OCS are good people around here) but that is how ludicrous the claim is.
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I agree that the meetings are annoying, but the thought of what was said in this thread is totally laughable, and can not be true in any gray area. The government DOES NOT have the right to come into private property and tell consumers that they need something that is designed for STATE LAND. Sure the government over steps their boundaries in gray zones, but NO DNR REP would ever say they have the power to go unto private property and issue any forms of citation for not having an ORV permit.

And wavemaker saying that there is a difference between private property and "a business". WTF, are businesses public property now?




Here I am sitting in my office of a BUSINESS which is private property. If the police came in and said they wanted to walk around (without just reason) I can, and would tell them to get the f' out of here. Not that it would ever happen (and the OCS are good people around here) but that is how ludicrous the claim is.
I absolutely agree with you
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Old October 15th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #34
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WELL When one builds a park . They make the right calls to the right people and KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT> Wait that is WHAT I DID> Do I need to post the links again .. I say She has her own forum and needs to keep her crap there.






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Old October 15th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #35
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WELL When one builds a park . They make the right calls to the right people and KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT> Wait that is WHAT I DID> Do I need to post the links again .. I say She has her own forum and needs to keep her crap there.






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Old October 15th, 2009, 07:31 PM   #36
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wow, absolutely ludicrous.

I work for a business that advertises, and allows the public onto our property to do business. Just because we are a business, it is still privately owned, and private property. Just like CC said, if a LEO wanted to come snoop around, I would tell them to GTFO. Ever been in a Bar, and seen the sign on the wall that says "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? its there, because the bar is private property, even though it is a business. There are some exceptions, such as fire marshal inspections and whatnot, but the idea that the state could require someone to have an ORV permit, or even SOS plates on private property is a joke.

Its like running off road diesel in your truck on private property, perfectly legal until you put a tire onto a public road.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 07:35 PM   #37
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careful now...you guys might end up w/ a pm from her hubby threatening to bust some teeth out.......glad i printed that one out.





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stupid people. ORV stickers on private land.......hahahahahaha
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