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Old October 13th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #1
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With all the research I have been doing with the DNR, I have come across a little piece of information that turns out to be a big detail for all the Michigan ORV parks.

Private land owners and their invited guests are not required to license ORV's that are operated exclusively on their private property. HOWEVER, ORV Parks are not considered private property, they are businesses, and therefore, licensing is REQUIRED of ORV's used in areas open to public operations regardless of whether the ORV is owned by a resident or non-resident of Michigan. Thought I'd pass this information on.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 08:51 PM   #2
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that's weird. the parks don't seem to have a issue with it
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Old October 13th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #3
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I can name numerous businesses that don't have licensed vehicles on their property.

I find it really hard to believe that the government can force a SOS license on any private land, let alone a DNR officer telling you this.

DNR wouldn't have any jurisdiction there
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I realize this. This is why I posted this information. I know some parks that don't enforce this, but, it's in the handbook. I llike to see off road parks around. It's good for everybody.
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I realize this. This is why I posted this information. I know some parks that don't enforce this, but, it's in the handbook. I llike to see off road parks around. It's good for everybody.
Do you have a link to this handbook?
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Old October 13th, 2009, 09:05 PM   #6
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I saw it in person SEVERAL times at OSTC (with the original owner Ken, not Deano the douche) where he told the DNR to get out. AND THEY DID!!
(just my 2 cents from the cheap seats)
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I saw it in person SEVERAL times at OSTC (with the original owner Ken, not Deano the douche) where he told the DNR to get out. AND THEY DID!!
(just my 2 cents from the cheap seats)
uhh, sure. Why the hell would any law enforcement be allowed on private property if they didn't have proof something illegal was going on?
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Off road parks are NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY. It's open to everyone. If you advertise and have signs up and are registered with the State Of MIchigan as a business, inwhich you have to be to have a valid bank account with your business name on, the land is no longer private. If you receive money for persons to enter your premises for them to receive something in return, such as wheeling, you are considered a business. This is also the reason why all the ORV parks have to carry insurance. If your land is private property, then the land owners home owners insurance would cover any accidents. Off road parks have to carry a bigger and special insurance policy to cover the people who come to wheel. The special liability insurance also applies to any wheeling event, such as competitions held at the off road parks. The parks are allowed to hold compettions, but if these competitions are a timed event, then the park has to pay a higher insurance rate and specifically list the event name because of the "racing to get to the finish line on the competition." If a competition is NOT A TIMED EVENT, and is solely based on a points system, then the park does not need a higher insurance limit.

Anyone can pick up this hand book at their local DNR office. What I posted is found on page 25 under It's The Law! Here are the places you can pick the bookup at:

District # 3 in Crystal Falls, Mi

District #4 in Newberry, Mi

District #5 in Gaylard, MI

District #6 Cadillac, MI

District #7 Roscommon, MI

District # 8 in Bay City, MI

District #9 in Twin Lake, MI

District #10 in Southfield, MI

District#11 in East Lansing, MI

District #12 in Plainwell, MI
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Are you referring to this section?

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ORV License

The DNR issues licenses for all ORVs on an annual basis. The annual fee for an ORV license is $16.25.

Licenses are valid from April 1 through March 31 of the following year, regardless of the date of purchase.

Vehicles that are licensed under the Motor Vehicle Code as "street vehicles" require an ORV license only when they are being used as an ORV. A street-licensed ORV does not need an ORV license to use forest roads, but it will need an ORV license if it is used on designated trails or in areas designated for cross-country use.

An ORV license is not required for street-licensed vehicles used on the frozen surface of public waters or designated ORV routes.

Private land owners, owners' family members, and their invited guests are not required to license ORVs that are operated exclusively on the owners' private property.

Licensing is required of ORVs used in areas open to public operations, regardless of whether the ORV is owned by a resident or nonresident of Michigan.
Handbook is actually found on line as well.
http://www.offroad-ed.com/mi/handbook/registration.htm
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i doubt the offroad parks are going to make this a requirement as i feel you have interpreted this incorrectly.

id love to recieve a ticket for this while at r&v next weekend. my lawyer would have a hayday in court with that ticket.
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i doubt the offroad parks are going to make this a requirement as i feel you have interpreted this incorrectly.

id love to recieve a ticket for this while at r&v next weekend. my lawyer would have a hayday in court with that ticket.
I didn't say I agreed, only pointing out the section referred to.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 01:07 AM   #12
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Easy to get around.

Park open to members only. Daily club membership fee is x amount of $$.
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Easy to get around.

Park open to members only. Daily club membership fee is x amount of $$.
yep... Nearly every offroad park I've been to, you're joining them as a "member" which might get around this licensing issue (which I don't even think is a law) but more importantly it protects the property owner since you can't sue yourself.

Member's only on the contract, $1.00 a year membership charge, and that is no longer "open to the public"



I'm confused to the first post here. I know 100000000000000% that they can't require an ORV sticker, and I think wavemaker is stating you need to have a license plate and insurance (because you need insurance to get a plate). Oh how I would LOVE to receive a ticket for being on private property and not having a license plate.

I'm really surprised how many people out there bend over and take it deep from these over zealous officers of the law. And I'm not sure how you guys are finding these people at the DNR because everybody I seem to talk to is nice as can be, answers the questions by the law, and will talk about gray area's of the law without issue.

I'd really like to see where in the handbook that you must have either a license plate or even more humorous, a ORV sticker in an orv park.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 06:15 AM   #14
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Off road parks are NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY. It's open to everyone. If you advertise and have signs up and are registered with the State Of MIchigan as a business, inwhich you have to be to have a valid bank account with your business name on, the land is no longer private. If you receive money for persons to enter your premises for them to receive something in return, such as wheeling, you are considered a business. This is also the reason why all the ORV parks have to carry insurance. If your land is private property, then the land owners home owners insurance would cover any accidents. Off road parks have to carry a bigger and special insurance policy to cover the people who come to wheel. The special liability insurance also applies to any wheeling event, such as competitions held at the off road parks. The parks are allowed to hold compettions, but if these competitions are a timed event, then the park has to pay a higher insurance rate and specifically list the event name because of the "racing to get to the finish line on the competition." If a competition is NOT A TIMED EVENT, and is solely based on a points system, then the park does not need a higher insurance limit.

Anyone can pick up this hand book at their local DNR office. What I posted is found on page 25 under It's The Law! Here are the places you can pick the bookup at:
I don't see where you posted anything that includes verbage the government would use.
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Ok, here is the handbook jive, thanks iceman.




Silver Lake Sand dunes
Bull Gap
The Mounds
St Helen's motorsports area



The government views ORV use as PUBLIC LAND designated as such.




Private property cannot be designated for public cross country use, nor can it be designated as a trail.



I still don't see what you're getting at, and it seems to me you're pulling some BS trying to knock on some other parks.
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Here's another point to it. The state charges for an ORV sticker to fund state ORV areas. In my opinion, that's the only function of the ORV sticker, to make sure that you have paid your fair share. IF, and I say IF the private parks were required to implement and ORV sticker rule, they should be able to request ORV funds for their park.
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Here's another point to it. The state charges for an ORV sticker to fund state ORV areas. In my opinion, that's the only function of the ORV sticker, to make sure that you have paid your fair share. IF, and I say IF the private parks were required to implement and ORV sticker rule, they should be able to request ORV funds for their park.
if private parks could have access to the funds i would be more than happy to buy a sticker to enter the park
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there are areas in Michigan that are private property yet have a state trail(mapped) going through thier private property with open access to the public...this is what that handbook is talking about...not private orv parks
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there are areas in Michigan that are private property yet have a state trail(mapped) going through thier private property with open access to the public...this is what that handbook is talking about...not private orv parks
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Also Have you ever been in an accident in a parking lot?

Same type of situation it is still Private property even if public use is allowed.
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I still don't see what you're getting at, and it seems to me you're pulling some BS trying to knock on some other parks.
some people act like everything they do is for the the good of our sport when their real agenda is to cause trouble for some . I know of at least one park in michigan she wont have to worry about having a orv sticker or not because shes not welcome on the property.
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