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Old September 6th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #1
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IFS on my 99 expedition sucks so bad , how much work and how hard is it to make it a solid axel and probably do a spring suspension up front ? or would a leafspring suspension be easier ?
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Old September 7th, 2009, 10:55 AM   #2
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I did this on my 84 BroncoII. Just found a front axle that was the right width and cut all the mounts off the donor vehicle (77 Bronco) and started welding and fabricating. It is a lot of work but turned out great on my rig. I also swapped rear axles to have matching wheel bolt patterns and for strength. I would start looking at late 70's full size Bronco's and F150's to get some mesurements. Good luck.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #3
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IF you are not a good welder and fabricator then dont try it. If things are not in good working order and up to par then it could fail and kill someone when your out driving it. Take it to a shop and get a quote.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 09:44 PM   #4
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i got a few people to help out , im positive we could do it , just wondering what to expect . and should i to coils or leafs ( leafs seam easier ) but coils seem to put out more flexability
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I would use the same spring style that was in it. I assume it was coils, so do coils. Adding leaf srping would be a lot harder imo, because you would have to start from scratch.

What side pumpkin is it? Drivers side? If so then ya High pinion out a of a 1979ish bronco would be a good place to start, as they had coils from the factory.

Take some dimensions and http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/Dana44_3.htm use the weatlh of info Mr. N has to offer.

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Old September 7th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #6
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Old September 7th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #7
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I would use the same spring style that was in it. I assume it was coils, so do coils. Adding leaf srping would be a lot harder imo, because you would have to start from scratch.

using coils would require some sort of link suspension system, which will take alot more work designing and building then lining up and welding on some shackle and spring hangers. About the only thing that would be retained from the coil springs would be the upper spring buckets, and maybe the upper shock mounts. Leaf springs can actually flex very well, as long as they are straight or close to it. High arch springs dont flex as well. Using leaf springs would be much easier to install, and will work fine for a full size truck.

You will have to work around the crossmember though, or cut it out and build one with a higher clearance. Other then that, the leaf springs will be fairly straight forward, just make sure everything is square and in line, and bolt it togethor. Make sure you decide on what to do about steering before you start cutting stuff out of the truck, though.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #8
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if you have to ask then your not capeable of making a safe sas truck to drive down the road.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:00 PM   #9
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Thats a little harsh, everyone has to start somewere. If he has capable help I say more power to him.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #10
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ya start somewhere by bolting on a lift kit is a good start. not swapping out a front axle into a rig that isnt suppose to have one. im tired of seeing what people put on a rig to make it go down the rig. he doesnt know how to do it so im guessing he dont under stand how a 4 link works. what needs to happen to make it go down the road safely with out hurting someone.........


this is going to come out the same way that the 2 link leaf sprung rear end works and looks. like shit and un safe.

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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #11
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Ya I saw that... pretty scary.
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and telling him he shouldn't try doesn't help anything either, all that will happen with an attitude like that is someone cobbling something together, just to spite you, and then not posting to ask for any help or guidance before they take it out on the road, and not accepting any critique of what they did build. If he has competent help, then he is capable of getting this project done. If he isnt afraid to ask questions, then he is able to get it done CORRECTLY.


I'm sure you were born with all the knowledge of everything, and never had to ask any questions, or ask anyone for help.


Asking questions is the way everyone learns, if he doesnt ask, then he will never learn. Those are the people that tend to build the scary shit.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:15 PM   #13
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and telling him he shouldn't try doesn't help anything either, all that will happen with an attitude like that is someone cobbling something together, just to spite you, and then not posting to ask for any help or guidance before they take it out on the road, and not accepting any critique of what they did build. If he has competent help, then he is capable of getting this project done. If he isnt afraid to ask questions, then he is able to get it done CORRECTLY.


I'm sure you were born with all the knowledge of everything, and never had to ask any questions, or ask anyone for help.


Asking questions is the way everyone learns, if he doesnt ask, then he will never learn. Those are the people that tend to build the scary shit.
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Old September 7th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #14
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ya i under stand that. but if he doesnt know what needs to happen he should read alot more before he starts. theres ton of research to do before you even think about cutting anything
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asking questions IS research

theres a chance he may get a reply from someone that has done thier own SAS on that exact vehicle, and can tell him what problems they encountered, what they did about those problems, etc.
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ya but the question he asked has been asked a million times
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then give him directions to the search button, or disregard the thread, you dont have to be an ass and tell him he isnt capable and shouldnt even think about doing it.


Besides, we all know it will be asked a million more times
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i understand how a 4 link works , im just looking for advise and what to look for while doing this , my expedition has the ifs front suspension and does not have coils in the front its got tortion bars , so it not having the coil springs already leaf springs are looking a whole lot easier , my pumpkins on the drivers side , and also im not looking into cutting this thing up tomorrow its probably going to be a winter project plus i still have to figure out what axels to use because im going to be doing both front and back and get my shit together , what gears in the diffs because i plan to run 35s , theres alot of homework to be done on my side thats why im asking questions to learn and not jumping into the project not knowing what im doing and fucking shit up
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Oh I didnt relize it was torsion. Look for a 1978-1979 F-250 front dana 44 then. They were SOA from the factory, and are considered the best possible axle to start with. If you want something bigger others will have some suggestions for that.
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ok a d44 should be plenty good for me , i dont beat on it to much so that should be strong enuff , no my question is will i need a new front drive shaft or is the stock ok ? and if i have to get a new front drive shaft will the end on the transfer case be the same and the end on the d44 ?
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