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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:59 AM   #1
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Could anyone shed some light on the county open orv laws here. Are seasonal roads county and legal, and how do you tell if it's a forest road which I believe is illegal. and if there is a orv blank diamond orange , is that legal for a dirtbike to go on. I understand the ones that have a bike, quad sign are legal but the others I'm not sure of. Does anyone know if there has been any updated maps or links of the newly opened areas to ride. Also years ago you couldn't drive across a paved road unless it was off and pushing it. I do have the DNR orv map from there website but doesn't show the areas you can go down the side of the road to get to the next trails or what has changed. I want to be legal. And the bike in question is a 91cr250 not my dualsport which is both orv and sos registered.

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Old August 22nd, 2009, 11:34 PM   #2
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call ron at the park he can give you some insight.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 11:58 PM   #3
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I do most of my riding in Ogemaw county and there you are allowed to ride your bike or quad under 25MPH on the side of a county road ONLY to or from a marked ORV trail. Last I heard Roscommon was starting to loosen up some of there laws also, not sure if they have yet or not but ill be able to find out on Labor day weekend.

Also Ive also been told that if its a blank orange diamond its for snow mobiles only (Drives me insane). There are only a couple of trails I know of that actually have bikes or quads on the diamonds.

The best way to make yourself bulletproof legal is to plate your bike, which im going to assume you have from your picture. That's what I did to my XR600R and im able to ride it (almost) anywhere. Plus I use it when im at home as a dual-sport to save some gas.

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help. I haven't looked in to the laws lately so Ill have to ask some buddies up north next time Im up. Goodluck though maybe Ill see you on the trails sometime.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 12:03 AM   #4
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I do most of my riding in Ogemaw county and there you are allowed to ride your bike or quad under 25MPH on the side of a county road ONLY to or from a marked ORV trail. Last I heard Roscommon was starting to loosen up some of there laws also, not sure if they have yet or not but ill be able to find out on Labor day weekend.

Also Ive also been told that if its a blank orange diamond its for snow mobiles only (Drives me insane). There are only a couple of trails I know of that actually have bikes or quads on the diamonds.

The best way to make yourself bulletproof legal is to plate your bike, which im going to assume you have from your picture. That's what I did to my XR600R and im able to ride it (almost) anywhere. Plus I use it when im at home as a dual-sport to save some gas.

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help. I haven't looked in to the laws lately so Ill have to ask some buddies up north next time Im up. Goodluck though maybe Ill see you on the trails sometime.
how is the ogemaw county for riden?
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 12:25 AM   #5
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Its not bad. Its mostly fire roads/trails so theres alot of flat land and fire acreage. Ambrose lake trail system is alot of fun to ride but make sure your ready for it. Its pretty challenging with tight trails steep hills that are rutted out and have tree roots sticking out at you from the ground like the earth wants to eat you! I had my cousin take a bad bounce coming down a rocky hill and fell off the side of the trail about 12 ft. down, forgot to mention it was on the side of a steep hill. But it keeps you your toes and working that is for sure. The trail makes a giant loop that takes about 4-6 hours to do depending on how hard you ride and after you do the whole loop your pretty beat and just want to get back home.

There is a Trail that go's from ambrose lake system to St. Helen's motorsport area, its a big trail though and no has manned up enough to ride it with me yet but I plan on riding it soon, as long as its still open...
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shoot me a pm when your going that way. ill ride it with ya. what are you riden
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Yeah Ill be sure to do that. Wont be anytime soon though sadly cause the girl is still getting the engine rebuilt after about a year of it that shop... But it should be done now but with me being at school I cant work on it, so not sure when she will back on the road.
Its a 96 Honda XR600R, engine bored out to 654cc, stage 1 cam, and a supertrap exhaust.
What you hit the trails with?
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 01:42 AM   #9
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I just finished fixing up a 91cr250 that was the bike I'm concerned with just an orv sticker for that my honda 650 is registered for both, so the just orange diamond is for snowmobiles then, it's very confusing, there are some that have signs showing mixed traffic too, bikes and cars. I've seen roads with orv designations on them from roscommon to leota, and some are marked in one direction and not the other, so can a dirtbike ride down a trail greater than 50 inches if it don't have the bike, quad symbol, but shows a blank orange diamond now with the new laws then.

the dualsport don't like the sand or real tight trails, too heavy and wants to go where it wants. I have tuned the suspension to it's point I believe it's tons better than when I first bought it, thanks to thumper talk suspension setups.

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http://www.vvmapping.com/trails/MICo..._Ordinance.pdf

if I am not mistaken the roads that are signed in one direction for ORV are still two way roads. unless the road in question has "one way" signs posted with an arrow of direction.

secondly if the sign says mixed traffic that is ok to ride if its marked ORV. theres alot of those up around Rose city.

as for crossing the street running...thats for 12 ands under.

check the home page of the link if you want a map book. the guy who does them marks out every road thats legal.
http://www.vvmapping.com/orvtrailbook.html
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by the way. with a bike marked as dual sport with SOS plate there is no marked trail off limits except to skill level. anything marked as 72",50,24 is good to go on a bike.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 10:15 AM   #12
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I just finished fixing up a 91cr250 that was the bike I'm concerned with just an orv sticker for that my honda 650 is registered for both, so the just orange diamond is for snowmobiles then, it's very confusing, there are some that have signs showing mixed traffic too, bikes and cars. I've seen roads with orv designations on them from roscommon to leota, and some are marked in one direction and not the other, so can a dirtbike ride down a trail greater than 50 inches if it don't have the bike, quad symbol, but shows a blank orange diamond now with the new laws then.

the dualsport don't like the sand or real tight trails, too heavy and wants to go where it wants. I have tuned the suspension to it's point I believe it's tons better than when I first bought it, thanks to thumper talk suspension setups.
Yeah I know what your saying about the heavy dual-sports they can get kinda hairy every now and then. I just love being able to go anywhere I please, It helps alot when your almost out of gas and can just ride to the station, or hop on a road to get home quick. I have been meaning to check out there suspension threads/articles just havent done it yet. What all did you have to do to make it better?

Yetti- Thanks for those sites man! I havent run across those before but thats some good stuff right there.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 01:56 PM   #13
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thanks guys and Yetti for the link 99ranger the back suspension was too stiff in the spring wouldn't compress with my 200lbs, so I relaxed and set the sag rate and softened the dampning settings increased the front forks to 10psi and about middle of the compresion for the forks, I know the Dunlops on the front are part to blame but it is manageable for it's size now
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Old August 26th, 2009, 11:24 AM   #14
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I thought I had a more recent update than this from Dick, this was dated 6-9-09.



Current action by counties regarding PA 240 permitting ORVís to operate on roadways.



Passed Ogemaw 9-11-08

Delta 9-24-08

Roscommon 10-08-08

Mackinac 10-09-08

Chippewa 10-13-08

Missaukee 10-14-08

Arenac 10-14-08

Clare 10-15-08

Schoolcraft 10-21-08

Ontonagon 10-21-08

Houghton 10-21-08

Gogebic 10-22-08

Dickinson 10-27-08

Alpena 10-28-08

Osceola 11-04-08

Luce 11-13-08

Marquette 11-18-08

Iron 12-23-08

Menominee 12-23-08

Iosco 1-07-09

Presque Isle 1-09-09

Keweenaw To & From Trail

Kalkaska 2-10-09

Gladwin 3-10-09

Charlevoix 4-09-09

Oscoda 4-14-09

Crawford 4-15-09 Under Revision

Wexford 4-15-09

Montmorency 4-28-09

Lake 5-13-09

Benzie 5-13-09 affective 7-1-09

Baraga 5-14-09

Otsego 5-26-09

Alcona 6-0?-09 affective 6-11-09

#35 Cheboygan 6-09-09 affective 7-09-09



IT IS THE USERíS RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. READ THE LOCAL

COUNTY ORDINANCE BEFORE RIDING! County ordinances are not identical!



To obtain a copy of a county ordinance, visit www.micounties.org. Some are now posting roads open to ORV use along with their county ordinance. For further info, contact the county Clerk.



Additions or corrections to the above list are welcome.



Michigan Motorized Recreation Council public releases are the result of round table discussions by the leaders of major ORV organizations in Michigan, representing over 20,000 members. For additional information, contact Dick Ranney, Coordinator @ 989-469-2405.
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A couple of other things you mentioned above:

ORV trails and routes are marked with orange triangles (in some areas with a square yellow backing), and are printed with ORV Route, ORV Trail, MCCCT, etc. Routes and trails should be marked every 1/10 mile or so, and should also be marked clearly if the route/trail turns, crosses an intersection, etc.

Snowmobile trails are marked with an orange diamond.

The confusing thing is that many of the ORV routes overlap snowmobile trails, and may have both sets of markings. Also, many of the snowmobile routes follow forest roads which are legal if you are SOS licensed.
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thanks for the info, but trying to decipher what the county has recently opened up is almost impossible to figure out. So a snowmobile trail is offlimits if it don't show both signs then, or did they open up with the new ordinces.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 02:11 PM   #17
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There is a Trail that go's from ambrose lake system to St. Helen's motorsport area, its a big trail though and no has manned up enough to ride it with me yet but I plan on riding it soon, as long as its still open...

I have rode this several times, very fun takes 2+ hours but well worth it.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 02:10 AM   #18
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pm me a # to talk about this, the snowmobile trails are not open unless they are county rds.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 08:22 AM   #19
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Contact the county road commission in the counties you want ride in, they will be able to provide you the county roads in which they have opened to ORV travel. It is as simple as that!
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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #20
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if anyone wants to ride some fun trails around harrison, leota, houghton lake, give me a call. ive been riding the shit outta my bike and usually by myself.
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