Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > 4x4 Product reviews and how-to's
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 21st, 2009, 05:19 AM   #81
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 20,648
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

If you want it for all around use, I wouldn't mess with installing a cam until you drive it in the stock form. You'll probably find it more than adequate for daily use.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 10:02 AM   #82
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,548
iTrader: (54)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

I would think that an LQ9, without torque management (and why would any of us want TQM?), coupled to a 4L60e, that wouldn't meet the goal of reliability, unless that 4L60e was built up to heavier specs (4L65/4L70).
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 10:21 AM   #83
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
I would think that an LQ9, without torque management (and why would any of us want TQM?), coupled to a 4L60e, that wouldn't meet the goal of reliability, unless that 4L60e was built up to heavier specs (4L65/4L70).
yes, those engine that are over 300hp or so will eat a stock trans in a few thousand miles if you dont have a good amount of torque management still in the calibration.

Even the 4l70 will get eaten by 400hp and 4200 lbs without torque management. A shift kit and quality clutches with a little extra line pressure is a minumum.

I'm curious to see if I can tear up my th400 that killer b built. it's getting replaced with a 4l60-70 of some sort when it does crap out so I need to get at least a year otu of it....
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 11:05 AM   #84
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 20,648
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

My TM was taken out and my TH350 is still holding strong with a shift kit in it.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 11:32 AM   #85
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,548
iTrader: (54)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterhino View Post
My TM was taken out and my TH350 is still holding strong with a shift kit in it.
This is what I'm planning to run also. But I try to be like you in every way possible.
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 12:03 PM   #86
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 20,648
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
But I try to be like you in every way possible.
You're getting smarter with age.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 12:42 PM   #87
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterhino View Post
My TM was taken out and my TH350 is still holding strong with a shift kit in it.
And you have higher line pressure and quality clutches, no? any less and you'd tear it up.

I wouldnt run a th350 if it were open to discussion at this point. 700R4 with converter lockup, lower first gear and overdrive.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 01:14 PM   #88
SHARPMACHINE
F-U-CANCER!!!
 
SHARPMACHINE's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-29-06
Location: MONTAGUE MI (BY THE SAND BOX)
Posts: 4,468
iTrader: (25)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Short of a complete rebuild, what would you guys recommend being done to a 4l60e? I was planning on a corvette servo and looking to see if line psi could be bumped up. When it gives up, it will get a performance rebuild and better converter.

My build plan (to begain with anyways, hhmm) is a 5.3 with some tuning and as much juice as it can handle (150-250).
__________________
Hay, look at me... I have a signature.....



RIP FULLSIZE4LIFE
SHARPMACHINE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 02:05 PM   #89
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

drive it until the trans blows... then go big and you wont have to do it again.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 02:46 PM   #90
bbaXJ
Yooper In Training
 
bbaXJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-29-06
Location: Fowlertucky, MI
Posts: 4,676
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to bbaXJ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95geo View Post
drive it until the trans blows... then go big and you wont have to do it again.
Agreed. I've known a lot of people who've killed 4L60Es left and right with stock to mildly modded rigs, but then I've known people who put them through stupid amounts of abuse(too much weight, too much power, too much throttle, 170k miles) without so much as a hiccup. They're cheap, if you're running something fairly stock then give one a try and upgrade if the need arises.
bbaXJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 02:55 PM   #91
SANDVIPR
Yeeeee Haaaaw!
 
SANDVIPR's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-10-06
Location: Holland
Posts: 7,427
iTrader: (58)
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Default

I don't know any of the details as I only hang out with those guys once in a while. And I only know enough to get myself in trouble with those new motors. I have just seen their burnouts (I'm usually the one filming) and know how fast they are at the sand drags. I get to hear how fast they were and how big of a pill they stuck in them that time and so on.... You can PM Cooter21 and he could probably give you some more of the details on what they are running. Personally I wouldn't run any of their motors on a rig that going to be used on the rocks. Street and sand use only!
SANDVIPR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 06:37 PM   #92
somer1
You Get the Big One
 
somer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-07-09
Location: Traverse City
Posts: 395
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

So what I'm gathering is that the 4l65e/4l70e that is behind the LQ9 doesn't have the strength for it with the TM taken out? I am planning this set up in a jeep so I won't be overly heavy. Pacific Fab quoted me 3950.00 for a low mileage Lq4 with a 4l60e and 4 wire harness with ecu. Thoughts?
somer1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 06:53 PM   #93
somer1
You Get the Big One
 
somer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-07-09
Location: Traverse City
Posts: 395
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I want 4 speed trans, Monster Transmission has a built 4l65e rated for 500hp for 1700.00 or a built 700r4 for 1400.00. Both are more than I want to spend. But if I have to I will. It's just that I read about alot of jeeps running 4l60e's behind 6.0l and not having a problem... but that's just it I've read about it, I wanted to hear from people who actualy ran it or who's friends have ran one. On another note if I did run an lq4 woundn't I have to change the flex plate and trans plug for the 4l60,4l65? I thought I read that the Lq4 came witha different plug for the trans , the 4l80e?
somer1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 07:02 PM   #94
bbaXJ
Yooper In Training
 
bbaXJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-29-06
Location: Fowlertucky, MI
Posts: 4,676
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to bbaXJ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by somer1 View Post
I want 4 speed trans, Monster Transmission has a built 4l65e rated for 500hp for 1700.00 or a built 700r4 for 1400.00. Both are more than I want to spend. But if I have to I will. It's just that I read about alot of jeeps running 4l60e's behind 6.0l and not having a problem... but that's just it I've read about it, I wanted to hear from people who actualy ran it or who's friends have ran one. On another note if I did run an lq4 woundn't I have to change the flex plate and trans plug for the 4l60,4l65? I thought I read that the Lq4 came witha different plug for the trans , the 4l80e?
You could try running a stock 700 or 60E on the cheap and see how it holds up. If you're gonna buy a built trans for a big chunk of change you might as well start off with a 4L80E. Hell, even a stock 80E will hold up to more abuse than most built 60Es.

LQ4s were available in lots of different configurations and transmissions. Depending what it's out of it may have a flexplate and wiring for either trans. My LQ4 is out of an 04 H2 and has a 4L60E flexplate, but my buddy got one out of an 04 Silverado HD and it's got the 4L80E flexplate. I think it was available with either trans in the work vans too.
bbaXJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 07:12 PM   #95
somer1
You Get the Big One
 
somer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-07-09
Location: Traverse City
Posts: 395
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Yeah I would love to run the 4l80e and just be done with it but I don't really have the room. Stock wheel base in the back plan on moving the front forward 3 inches nothing major, I would like to keep it a Jeep, or atleast lookin like one. I did'nt no that the lq4 came with the 4l60e in some configurations that's cool to know, I guess that I'll have to do some more web searching. But what do think about the deal from Pacific fab? To much for a drop in combo?
somer1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 07:15 PM   #96
somer1
You Get the Big One
 
somer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-07-09
Location: Traverse City
Posts: 395
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Does the TM make a huge difference on the bottom?
somer1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 08:27 PM   #97
ZO6WRANGLER
Newbie
 
ZO6WRANGLER's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-06-07
Location: Whitehall
Posts: 7
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Tm just removes a little timing and fuel when the trans shifts to keep it from breaking parts. doesn't affect acceleration.
ZO6WRANGLER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 09:25 PM   #98
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,548
iTrader: (54)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZO6WRANGLER View Post
doesn't affect acceleration.
Really? I've seen people who autocross them that it makes a big difference when they remove it.
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2009, 11:21 PM   #99
bbaXJ
Yooper In Training
 
bbaXJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-29-06
Location: Fowlertucky, MI
Posts: 4,676
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to bbaXJ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by somer1 View Post
Yeah I would love to run the 4l80e and just be done with it but I don't really have the room. Stock wheel base in the back plan on moving the front forward 3 inches nothing major, I would like to keep it a Jeep, or atleast lookin like one. I did'nt no that the lq4 came with the 4l60e in some configurations that's cool to know, I guess that I'll have to do some more web searching. But what do think about the deal from Pacific fab? To much for a drop in combo?
Everybody claims the 4L80 is sooooo much worse. It's not much different at all, I thought it was gonna be a lot more severe.





It's 3". Yeah it matters, but it's not gonna make or break most builds.
bbaXJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2009, 05:47 AM   #100
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 20,648
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95geo View Post
And you have higher line pressure and quality clutches, no? any less and you'd tear it up.

I wouldnt run a th350 if it were open to discussion at this point. 700R4 with converter lockup, lower first gear and overdrive.
To my knowledge, it's a stock TH350 with a shift kit. What's a shift kit consist of? I really don't know but I thought it is a change in spring pressure & valving to eliminate the soft slushing between shifts. Does it increase line pressure or include better clutches? I have no idea. It was built years ago.

For the tranny guys, what kind of HP is a TH350 good for?
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > 4x4 Product reviews and how-to's
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:20 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.20625 seconds with 52 queries