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Old August 4th, 2009, 10:04 AM   #1
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Old August 4th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #2
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go to rhode island. tax there is 3.46 per pack. http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0097.pdf
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A billion raised from smokes and 1/5 that raised from beer. Somethings wrong there.
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brew your own. As soon as I get a house, I'm setting up a personal brewery. My dad started doing it this year and loves it.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 10:50 AM   #5
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brew your own. As soon as I get a house, I'm setting up a personal brewery. My dad started doing it this year and loves it.
You could brew your own beer and have a marijuana grow lab right in the same room.
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brew your own. As soon as I get a house, I'm setting up a personal brewery. My dad started doing it this year and loves it.

That is such a conservative thing to say. Your going to avoid the bullshit uncalled for liberal tax.

I'm really liking this new Mike....
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You could brew your own beer and have a marijuana grow lab right in the same room.
It would be to hot for the beer
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That is such a conservative thing to say. Your going to avoid the bullshit uncalled for liberal tax.

I'm really liking this new Mike....
So we all going to Mike's for brewski's?
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Just what a dying economy needs, more "sin tax" If the govt really wants to help the economy they should find other ways instead of trying to drive away the few residents they have left.
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From a Moderates point of view.......this sin tax idea sucks
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why do they have to refer to alcohol as a sin? I think it's more of a sin to judge others.
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When was the last time aunt jenny took a pay cut?
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go to rhode island. tax there is 3.46 per pack. http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0097.pdf
smokes in canada are 10.00 a pack
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I like the way your leaning....
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Isn't it a violation of church & state to call it a "sin" tax?

Sin:
1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
2. Theology
a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
b. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience

So, if someone doesn't believe in god, and they smoke, how can they be charged a "sin" tax for buying cigs?

I'm glad I don't smoke, too much to think about!
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Would you be less opposed if a was called a luxury tax?

As much as I hate taxes I don't have a big problem with taxing tobacco and alcohol.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 07:49 PM   #17
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Isn't it a violation of church & state to call it a "sin" tax?

Sin:
1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
2. Theology
a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
b. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience

So, if someone doesn't believe in god, and they smoke, how can they be charged a "sin" tax for buying cigs?

I'm glad I don't smoke, too much to think about!
I'm guessing it came from the past. It was probably called that because it was considered a sin by the majority of our country. Plus it's just easier to say then "Things that are unhealthy or can be bad for you" tax.


Edit: Now, if they were to tax non-Christians (for a Sin tax) then that would be an issue. Theologically speaking, Christians don't have sin.

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I'm guessing it came from the past. It was probably called that because it was considered a sin by the majority of our country. Plus it's just easier to say then "Things that are unhealthy or can be bad for you" tax.


Edit: Now, if they were to tax non-Christians (for a Sin tax) then that would be an issue. Theologically speaking, Christians don't have sin.
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It's bullshit i have to pay 6.25 a deck for my squares.. now they're gonna up it AGAIN. My father was paying a dollar for 2 packs when he was my age. tsk tsk tsk...
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It is just another way for the govt to try and control people smoking and drinking are bad for you so we tax them more...........Communism here we come
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