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Old June 19th, 2009, 04:56 PM   #521
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if you need me to explain why, then you are an idiot.
Well I know why, but for the rest of us that don't. I need something .... more inteligent than your middle school vocabulary.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #522
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Well I know why, but for the rest of us that don't. I need something .... more inteligent than your middle school vocabulary.
alright, Stevo is probalby not the person to make claims based on education (however right/wrong he is on the issue). but if you are intellegent enough to pass middle school you should be able to easily pick out the issues in the creationist point of view. Honestly, If you are still a X'tian after researching, you are fucking insane.

EDIT: I was too lazy to proofread this, If the grammar is wrong, I apologize as I am pretty druk.

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Old June 20th, 2009, 07:50 AM   #523
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alright, Stevo is probalby not the person to make claims based on education (however right/wrong he is on the issue).
ORLY? I guess my limited education means I should stay out of this argument. goodbye.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 09:06 AM   #524
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alright, Stevo is probalby not the person to make claims based on education (however right/wrong he is on the issue). but if you are intellegent enough to pass middle school you should be able to easily pick out the issues in the creationist point of view. Honestly, If you are still a X'tian after researching, you are fucking insane.

EDIT: I was too lazy to proofread this, If the grammar is wrong, I apologize as I am pretty druk.
There are very inteligent people that believe in creation and a growing number of them were evolution scientist, it is just that they saw the truth and then at that point they deceided to let go of the dribble that the college professors taught them about the theroy of evolution. I hope you did not miss the key word, WERE and THEORY.
I am assuming that X'tian means Christian? Have you no respect? I suppose not as you probably don't respect yourself
And don't worry about your grammer
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Old June 20th, 2009, 09:58 AM   #525
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There are very inteligent people that believe in creation and a growing number of them were evolution scientist, it is just that they saw the truth and then at that point they deceided to let go of the dribble that the college professors taught them about the theroy of evolution. I hope you did not miss the key word, WERE and THEORY.
I am assuming that X'tian means Christian? Have you no respect? I suppose not as you probably don't respect yourself
And don't worry about your grammer
this is in no way an argument for or against evolution, but it's fun, nonetheless.

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Old June 20th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #526
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this is in no way an argument for or against evolution, but it's fun, nonetheless.

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P.S. are you offended when people write (x-mas) on the box of holiday decorations as they shove them into the attic?
Argument, no way, debate yes and fun oh ya
Not offended no, faster than writting the whole word yes. Respect is also needed, if we had no respect were would we be?
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Argument, no way, debate yes and fun oh ya
Not offended no, faster than writting the whole word yes. Respect is also needed, if we had no respect were would we be?
So does that mean you are offended if you're saying no to being not offended?

You're so confusing.


So you realize that it is a faster way to write it, wouldn't it then be a faster way to type it? I just don't understand the persecution complex...
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So does that mean you are offended if you're saying no to being not offended?

You're so confusing.


So you realize that it is a faster way to write it, wouldn't it then be a faster way to type it? I just don't understand the persecution complex...
no not offended and no , no persecution
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Old June 20th, 2009, 09:50 PM   #529
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ORLY? I guess my limited education means I should stay out of this argument. goodbye.
your opinion counts too, chime in anytime, just bring something
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Old June 20th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #530
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Maybe someone has already posted this - I'm not going to search through all 20+ pages to find out. Has anyone actually looked at the scientific paper announcing the fossil's discovery, rather than the antireligious media hype about it? This author quotes it as saying that the fossil “could represent a stem group from which later anthropoid primates evolved, but we are not advocating this here....” Looks like another case of Darwinist wishful thinking or using the evidence for far more than it warrants. The following is the article from the Washington Examiner:

What 'Ida' give for a missing link

By: Casey Luskin, OpEd Contributor
- | 6/8/09 6:47 AM

As a follower of the evolution debate, I love it when new “missing links” are found.

Not only does the media plunge headfirst into a crusade for Darwin, but suspiciously, it is only after unveiling the breakthrough that evolutionary biologists admit how precious little evidence they previously held for the evolutionary transition in question.

Take the recent media coverage of a fossil primate named “Ida,” hailed as the “eighth wonder of the world,” whose “impact on the world of palaeontology” is being compared to “an asteroid falling down to Earth.”

Google.com changed its home page to pay homage to the fossil. Famed BBC broadcaster Sir David Attenborough is making a documentary to proselytize for Ida, “the link that connects us directly with the rest of the animal kingdom.”

According to Ida’s PR team, this hype is acceptable. “Any pop band is doing the same. We have to start thinking the same way in science,” said one of the lead scientists studying Ida to The New York Times.

Yet accompanying this marketing and evangelism are the customary retroactive admissions of ignorance about our prior knowledge of evolution. Attenborough said that when Darwin-skeptics previously demanded a link to prove human evolution, “the link they would have said until now was missing.”

Similarly, Ida’s website (every missing link has a personalized website these days) admits that, “before Lucy,” the famous australopithecine hominid fossil, “there are massive gaps in the fossil record, and scientists have only had fragments of fossils to study.”

So there you have it. Before this fossil, “the link … was missing.” There were “massive gaps,” and scientists “only had fragments” upon which to base their evolutionary hypotheses.

Why didn’t we hear about these gaps before? If you believe the preaching, Ida solves all our problems; as National Geographic reported, she is the “critical ‘missing link’ species.” As is too-often the case, this is media hype.

If one bothers to delve into the actual scientific paper, one sees the admission that Ida “could represent a stem group from which later anthropoid primates evolved, but we are not advocating this here....”

Moreover, 12 of the 16 primate traits which the scientists were able to study classified Ida with monkeys. Ida’s website boasts of her monkey-like opposable toes and thumbs, monkey-like foot-bones, monkeylike face, and monkey-like binocular vision.

By now you should be getting the picture: Ida was a young, small-brained, monkey-like primate, whose evolutionary importance is anything but clear.

Forgive me for being skeptical of the media’s claims that “proof of this transitional species finally confirms Charles Darwin's theory of evolution” (Skynews) or that Ida is “a 47-million year old human ancestor” (ScienceDaily).

She may be an exceptionally well-preserved fossil, but she’s hardly cause for apocalyptic comparisons to running for asteroid shelters.

We’ve seen this kind of ancestor worship in the media before. In 2006, paleontologists reported bones from the hominid species Australopithecus anamensis.

After finding a couple of teeth of “intermediate” size and declaring the fossil a “missing link,” MSNBC called it “the most complete chain of human evolution so far.” In another retroactive confession of ignorance, biologists finally admitted that before the fossil, “the origins of Australopithecus were obscured.”

If a couple 4 million year old teeth of “intermediate size” make “the most complete chain of human evolution so far” then I feel quite comfortable being a scientific skeptic of Darwinian evolution.

Even the late evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr conceded that the earliest fossils of our genus Homo “are separated from Australopithecus by a large, unbridged gap,” without “fossils that can serve as missing links.”

Whether conscious or unplanned, Darwinian confessions of retroactive ignorance make the reasonable observer wonder, How strong is the evidence for Darwinism today?

The lesson is simple: keep a healthy skepticism of media hype over “missing links.” Anyone who believes the hype that we've found the “missing link” has either forgotten history or isn't looking very carefully at the evidence.

Casey Luskin is an attorney with a B.S. and M.S. in Earth Sciences from the University of California at San Diego. He writes at evolutionnews.org
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Old June 21st, 2009, 12:18 AM   #531
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alright, Stevo is probalby not the person to make claims based on education (however right/wrong he is on the issue). but if you are intellegent enough to pass middle school you should be able to easily pick out the issues in the creationist point of view. Honestly, If you are still a X'tian after researching, you are fucking insane.

EDIT: I was too lazy to proofread this, If the grammar is wrong, I apologize as I am pretty druk.
Luckily I've been able to stay away for a while because of Camp, but I must say that I'm hoping you were just too drunk to realize what you were typing. There are thousands of people that make Logical and thought through choices about following Christ everyday. There are also plenty of X-Evoultionists that have said the exact same thing about Evoultion. That if you really pick out the issues with it, You'd have to be insane to accept it. Don't you just hate it when the door swings both ways?

Anywho, Hope everybody has a great summer. I'll keep you updated on how many kids we help make that logical choice to except Christ this summer. :)
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Luckily I've been able to stay away for a while because of Camp, but I must say that I'm hoping you were just too drunk to realize what you were typing. There are thousands of people that make Logical and thought through choices about following Christ everyday. There are also plenty of X-Evoultionists that have said the exact same thing about Evoultion. That if you really pick out the issues with it, You'd have to be insane to accept it. Don't you just hate it when the door swings both ways?

Anywho, Hope everybody has a great summer. I'll keep you updated on how many kids we help make that logical choice to except Christ this summer. :)
Well thats awesome that you can get involved in kids camp and help them make logical choices that will impact them for the rest of their lives
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Well thats awesome that you can get involved in kids camp and help them make logical choices that will impact them for the rest of their lives
Yeah, It's my Calling in life. Pretty Exciting. We're in the middle of Staff training right now.
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Yeah, It's my Calling in life. Pretty Exciting. We're in the middle of Staff training right now.
What camp are you at?
We are now having a car wash to raise money to send kids to camp. I believe that the car wash will take place in Lansing. You being from there probably heard of it.
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Old July 1st, 2009, 11:58 AM   #535
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and this is after I skipped 14 pages.
apologetics will never bring a person to the realization of Jesus Christ.
But it all is still fun to watch how everyone thinks, christian or not.
Thanks for the entertainment
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 10:06 AM   #536
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Or not:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33416595...ience-science/
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 10:09 AM   #537
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Bruce you shattered my dreams.
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Well maybe not.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 10:55 AM   #539
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My wife told me about that story. I think it's funny because she got Lectured on how that was such a great find by a teacher at MSU. I wounder what would happen if she asked the teacher about it now........
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What's everybody so scared of really? Mortality? Who needs scientists to tell them we're part of the animal kingdom? We eat and shit and fornicate don't we? What makes us so different other than speech? I don't care if you worship christ or mickey mouse, the evidence that we're civilized animals (for the most part) is all around you. Consider this the next time somebody pisses you off and you daydream about ripping out their jugular. Society is man made. We're not born civilized.
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