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Old June 6th, 2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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Ok, so I just bought a tow rig. Its a 1995 Ford F350 dually 2x4 with the 7.3 liter powerstroke and 5 speed manual. Now I would like to get a trailer large enough to haul two jeeps. A cj-7 and a wrangler. I figured this truck would be more than adequate until I started adding stuff up. This truck is said to have a GCWR of 20,000 lbs. So if the truck weighs 8,000# and a 26' goosneck flat bed weighed 6,500#s + two 4,000# jeeps. That adds up to 22,500 lbs. Which is over the limit. Some people say I don't need to worry about that so much as the GVWR of the truck. So it would depend more on the tounge weight of the trailer than the actual weight. So im not sure if I should continue to look for a 25-35' goosneck flatbed or just get a really nice 18' and tell my friend he will have to drive his jeep.
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if you want to spend the money on the larger trailer go for it, the gear on the trailer determines the GCWR until you start considering draw weight and and hitch weight. IE I ran a dully with a 30' flatbed, but ran into the fact that we were haling a draw weight of 18K or more on a 16K hitch... did the math on it, 6,500lb trailer + 12,000lb contents = broken hitch.

what you DO need to observe is the axle load limits because that will determine the life of the bearings.

Keep in mind too that the clutch can be a factor in the GCWR.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info, looks like the truck will do it, but it will probably be pretty maxed out. I got this off another forum:

"95 F-350 Powerstroke, BHAF and straight pipe. PJ trailers 30' gooseneck, 8k axles etc. With two jeeps it tows like absolute crap, hard to maintain 65 on a flat interstate. I guess 14,000lbs is too much"

So im starting to think I don't want to haul that much weight. Im leaning towards a nice 18' bumper pull or 20' goosneck. Also for my price budget I can get a really nice one jeep trailer or an OK two jeep trailer.
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Thanks for the info, looks like the truck will do it, but it will probably be pretty maxed out. I got this off another forum:

"95 F-350 Powerstroke, BHAF and straight pipe. PJ trailers 30' gooseneck, 8k axles etc. With two jeeps it tows like absolute crap, hard to maintain 65 on a flat interstate. I guess 14,000lbs is too much"

So im starting to think I don't want to haul that much weight. Im leaning towards a nice 18' bumper pull or 20' goosneck. Also for my price budget I can get a really nice one jeep trailer or an OK two jeep trailer.
Guess you should have gotten a cummins, the 07 I had would pull the 2 jeep setup at 90 without breaking a sweat...
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Hey I wanted a cummins. Couldn't find one in my price range, even if I could it would have been older and still would have had the same problem pulling that much weight. I got this 95 ford for $3500. A 95 7.3 powerstroke has 245 HP and 395 FT-LBs of torque. A 95 cummins has 160 HP and 400 Ft-LBs of torque. Not trying to compare a cummins and powerstroke but just saying I couldn't have gotten a dodge that would have pulled better than my ford for $3500.
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This is my brothers 05 F350 4x4 6.0 auto with 36' tri axle. We were rolling about 24'000lbs in this picture. I have a 97 Dodge 3500 4x4 Cummins auto and routinley weigh 20-24,000 lbs. My GCVW rating is 18,000 lbs With my pickup camper and my enclosed tag trailer I weigh right at 20'000 lbs with the gooseneck and 2 Jeeps I weigh about 22-24,000 lbs depending what other gear I am carrying.

I had a 89 Ford 250 std cab 4x4 7.3 5sp that had a 8,800 gvw, the truck weighed almost 8,000 lbs empty. This truck weighed around 20,000 with my pickup camper and enclosed trailer. It was a white knuckle driving rig. I had plenty of power but not enough truck mass to hang on to that much. (truck lenght, # of tires etc)

It really comes down to how your truck and trailer are set up, what you are comfortable in driving, and how much you want to exceed the manufacurers spec.
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Under 250 hp, and under 400 ft-lbs of torque, and you are asking it to move 20k+ down the road. Diesels work well, but its not like they are magic. It should work, just don't expect to drive fast.

What rear axle gears do you have?


I have talked to a few guys running old 24ft uhauls with Navistar 444s (non turbo 7.3s), hauling one in the box and one on the trailer, and they can go 60-63 mph or so, slow on hills. (4.56 gears, spicer 5 speeds, etc).



Tell your friend to buy you some goodies from banks if he wants you do tow him around.
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You say guy from another forum say it couldn't stay 65 mph?

That mean he have 4.10 or less. You can pull better if you have 4.30 or 4.56.



What axle code on your driver's side cab. Sticker.
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Guess you should have gotten a cummins, the 07 I had would pull the 2 jeep setup at 90 without breaking a sweat...
My 2004.5 pulls a 37' car hauler and 2 Jeeps so well you tend to forget you are towing anything. In fact, I know that it will do 90 with 2 Jeeps. I just won't mention who was driving, right Ken?

Figure my truck at 8k, the trailer is 4k empty, 2 Jeeps are 8k, plus people, tools, parts, camping gear, etc... It is easy to add up to over 22k gross. I loaded an Oliver 1600 with a front end loader and a 1983 Chevy pickup last week. I figure that was pushing close to 26k gross.
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I pull two jeeps with 3.54 gears 5 speed gear box in a 98 cummins no sweat
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My truck has 4.10 gears in it. So from what I am gathering I think the truck would do it. But for the distance I will be traveling I don't think it will be very comfortable. Probably be foot to the floor and maintaining around 65 MPH. Plus the engine in this truck does have over 300,000 miles on it. It runs great but I don't want to work it too hard. On top of that I don't think my budget will cover a large enough trailer at this point anyways. I have about $2000 to spend on one. I also have to use some of that for plates and registration for the truck and trailer. So there is no way I could afford a 30' goosneck that is in decent shape for $1500. I will look for a nice 16-18' instead. Thanks for the help.
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$1500 will barely buy a mid-level 18' car trailer.
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Well I found a few 16-18' car haulers that were less than 5 years old for $1500 or less. Just have to shop around. I wouldn't be buying new obviously.
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This is my friends F-250 with the 7.3. It was struggling to pull it on the hills, but we maintained 65 mph pretty well. We later pulled it with a F-350 with the 6.0 and it was like the trailer wasn't there. I think it kicked out of O/D twice going from Battle Creek to Silver Lake.
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