Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

Politics, Government, or Religion Chat Bring your flamesuit!







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 21st, 2009, 12:20 PM   #81
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaemarks View Post
i visited the link

shae marks


[skreaching tires sound]

wait a second, is this you or are you just spamming the site?







what brings you to an offroad website?

Last edited by 95geo; May 21st, 2009 at 12:23 PM.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 12:52 PM   #82
MISHOWJEEPER
NSFW
 
MISHOWJEEPER's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-06-07
Location: Lapeer MI
Posts: 2,239
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hombre View Post
Morals does not = ripping off little old ladies and college kids on used, junk cars.
So I should leave the used car selling to who? A fool and their money will soon be parted..... lol
MISHOWJEEPER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:30 PM   #83
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo View Post
word. When i was younger a series of horrible event happened in my life and the lives of my family. if that was part of gods plan then fukc that rotten piece of shit. no one should have to suffer the things me and mine did.
Steve, it is a theological discussion but ultimately there are many things we cannot understand in this life. But what is true about God should lead you to trust him even when it does not make sense. Once you know Jesus, you can trust his heart while you cannot trace his hand.
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:33 PM   #84
clarkstoncracker
lol
 
clarkstoncracker's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-03-05
Location: OC - MI
Posts: 42,291
iTrader: (39)
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to clarkstoncracker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Kerwin View Post
Steve, it is a theological discussion but ultimately there are many things we cannot understand in this life.
So out of all the things you can't understand in the world, but you choose to .....


nevermind.
__________________
clarkstoncracker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM   #85
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo View Post
please provide further details.
I grew up Catholic, but never connected to it, it was a family obligation and not a personal faith. I was confirmed in 8th grade, but did it mean anything? I thought it was sacred somehow, but it was routine, pre-packaged, impersonal, and void of actual relationship with Jesus. I did not know him. So when my Mom no longer enforced waking up early on Sunday to do the sit kneel stand thing, I quickly took advantage of it and weaseled out. I never missed it.

As a young child I used to get scared of storms after a bad summer with a tornado in it, so my prayer life consisted of the once a year "please don't let us get killed in a tornado" prayer. I grew up in Detroit and was broken into twice, so it was also the occasional "God if you are out there, please keep us alive and not dead because of theives" prayer.

As a late teen I heard the gospel message for the first time and felt a very close connection to Christ, and was encouraged to invite him into my life for the forgiveness of my sins. One night after church I sat on the stairs to the basement by myself and prayed and asked Jesus to forgive me and to become a part of my life. He did both. I have not turned back since.
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:36 PM   #86
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkstoncracker View Post
So out of all the things you can't understand in the world, but you choose to .....


nevermind.
I went the same exact direction with you, remember my inquiry about the big bang. You have faith too Kelly.
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:36 PM   #87
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkstoncracker View Post
That didn't help either. My grandma who's life was the church (literally) discovered she had brain cancer when she passed out what day weeding the flower bed, then she suffered for 5 months before she finally passed away.
And that obviously is a bad situation. What was her take on her declining health??
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:39 PM   #88
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95geo View Post
I find this thread humorous... I'm suprized I read it considering I choose not to get involved in religious debates.

good idea CC, I'm going to mow the lawn.
It is easier to walk away from the chaos than to deal with it, that is pretty common. I do it too sometimes.
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 01:41 PM   #89
clarkstoncracker
lol
 
clarkstoncracker's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-03-05
Location: OC - MI
Posts: 42,291
iTrader: (39)
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to clarkstoncracker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Kerwin View Post
And that obviously is a bad situation. What was her take on her declining health??
About how God would save her.


Then god "killed her" or "let her die" in the middle of winter, so she had to be locked up in a freezer until the thaw so she can be buried.

God FTW!




Actually, I believe their furnace was leaking deadly gas, and she had cancer from that, and the cells double faster then they could kill them and it eventually took over her body and she passed away. I don't believe any unnatural powers were kicking..
__________________
clarkstoncracker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 02:34 PM   #90
Dave Kerwin
web wheeling, hard.
 
Dave Kerwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-18-05
Location: SE MI
Posts: 6,683
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkstoncracker View Post
About how God would save her.

Then god "killed her" or "let her die" in the middle of winter, so she had to be locked up in a freezer until the thaw so she can be buried.

God FTW!

Actually, I believe their furnace was leaking deadly gas, and she had cancer from that, and the cells double faster then they could kill them and it eventually took over her body and she passed away. I don't believe any unnatural powers were kicking..
And now that her body has died, if the gospel message is true, God did save her, he saved her from her sins and welcomed her into his Kingdom for eternal life. God never promised to us in his scriptures that our bodies would be fine, he never even promised us protection from harm, but he DID promise us healing when we leave this world.

Just because your Grandma died, does not negate God's existence, that is not a testimony against him.
Dave Kerwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 02:38 PM   #91
clarkstoncracker
lol
 
clarkstoncracker's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-03-05
Location: OC - MI
Posts: 42,291
iTrader: (39)
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to clarkstoncracker
Default

But if my grandma was wrong, and there is nowhere else to go, then she literally spent 50% of her last 40 years on this earth dealing with the church. That's a pretty big risk to take.
__________________
clarkstoncracker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:00 PM   #92
dreezy
Haggard Fab
 
dreezy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-28-08
Location: Holland Mi
Posts: 9,945
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to dreezy Send a message via MSN to dreezy
Default

I have always felt the greater good was my family... What more to should I have to provide for and protect?
dreezy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:15 PM   #93
MISHOWJEEPER
NSFW
 
MISHOWJEEPER's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-06-07
Location: Lapeer MI
Posts: 2,239
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Kerwin View Post
And now that her body has died, if the gospel message is true, God did save her, he saved her from her sins and welcomed her into his Kingdom for eternal life. God never promised to us in his scriptures that our bodies would be fine, he never even promised us protection from harm, but he DID promise us healing when we leave this world.

Just because your Grandma died, does not negate God's existence, that is not a testimony against him.
Dave Kerwin, of all the bible thumper self decieving people out there, with an avatar like that, how the hell can you not see that you descend from apes?!?! WTF??
MISHOWJEEPER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:18 PM   #94
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo View Post
man created god as a tool to rule other men.
Then who created man?
aber61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:23 PM   #95
MISHOWJEEPER
NSFW
 
MISHOWJEEPER's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-06-07
Location: Lapeer MI
Posts: 2,239
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aber61 View Post
Then who created man?
Evolution. Who created dinosaurs? Your god doesn't claim those too, does he? I suppose he created an adam and eve version of dinosaurs at some point, they pissed him off too, so he killed all of them....and on and on.
MISHOWJEEPER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:32 PM   #96
All5ofus
Senior Member
 
All5ofus's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-02-07
Location: Temperance/Michigan
Posts: 2,784
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER View Post
Evolution. Who created dinosaurs? Your god doesn't claim those too, does he? I suppose he created an adam and eve version of dinosaurs at some point, they pissed him off too, so he killed all of them....and on and on.
Does the Bible Speak of Dinosaurs? If so what happened to them?
God created dinosaurs at the same time He created all of the other animals (Gen 1:20-21). The book of Job speaks of a dinosaur (Job 40:15-24). The writer is not speaking of a hippo here. When did you last see a hippo with a tail as big as a cedar tree (vs17)? Dragons and leviathan (a large sea monster), are mentioned in the Bible. Throughout history dinosaurs have been sighted. They have always existed with man up until they became extinct. We even have fossilized records of a manís footprint inside of a dinosaurís track. After Noahís flood many not all became extinct. When most of the earth became very cold (ice age), many died. Atmospheric pressure changes after the flood also impacted the lives of many. The large body masses of many dinosaurs were not able to sustain a proper blood flow of oxygen because of the small hearts they had. People also hunted them that also contributed to their demise.



Donít animals become extinct today? Of course they do.
All5ofus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:42 PM   #97
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER View Post
Evolution. Who created dinosaurs? Your god doesn't claim those too, does he? I suppose he created an adam and eve version of dinosaurs at some point, they pissed him off too, so he killed all of them....and on and on.
So we came from??? nothing, wow that has never happened in a lab or been studied or observed. So tell me again how evolution works.. from nothing to us. The smartest doctors, scientists in the world can see how life begins at conception but they cannot tell us how it happens. Life is a miricle in itself, it happens and we cannot explain how or why.

And as far as God killing us cause we piss Him off... not, we live and we die, where we go is up to us. That is why free will is what it is FREE WILL
aber61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:45 PM   #98
clarkstoncracker
lol
 
clarkstoncracker's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-03-05
Location: OC - MI
Posts: 42,291
iTrader: (39)
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to clarkstoncracker
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aber61 View Post
The smartest doctors, scientists in the world can see how life begins at conception but they cannot tell us how it happens.


You're kidding me, right?
__________________
clarkstoncracker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:50 PM   #99
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by All5ofus View Post
Does the Bible Speak of Dinosaurs? If so what happened to them?
God created dinosaurs at the same time He created all of the other animals (Gen 1:20-21). The book of Job speaks of a dinosaur (Job 40:15-24). The writer is not speaking of a hippo here. When did you last see a hippo with a tail as big as a cedar tree (vs17)? Dragons and leviathan (a large sea monster), are mentioned in the Bible. Throughout history dinosaurs have been sighted. They have always existed with man up until they became extinct. We even have fossilized records of a manís footprint inside of a dinosaurís track. After Noahís flood many not all became extinct. When most of the earth became very cold (ice age), many died. Atmospheric pressure changes after the flood also impacted the lives of many. The large body masses of many dinosaurs were not able to sustain a proper blood flow of oxygen because of the small hearts they had. People also hunted them that also contributed to their demise.



Donít animals become extinct today? Of course they do.
Well put, I cannot understand how people in general can believe in evolution. It is all around us, drawings in caves, maybe the dinosaurs drew themselves, ummmm, no man saw what he saw and painted it on the wall for others to see. But you will not find these pictures in history books in our schools. The media is trying very hard to keep God out of the schools as to push a different agenda.. the evolution, darwin agenda which do not stand up to science
aber61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 21st, 2009, 03:51 PM   #100
aber61
Senior Member
 
aber61's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-22-08
Location: Commerce Twp. Michigan
Posts: 6,077
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkstoncracker View Post


You're kidding me, right?
nope
aber61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:12 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Copyright ©2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.27058 seconds with 52 queries