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Old January 22nd, 2009, 08:54 PM   #1
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Exclamation Thanks to those who help the cause!

Well was blown away when I got down to AL and see the trash along the roads. But even more surprised on the local trails to find massive amounts of trash just dumped along the trails. Made me think of the trail clean ups we do up here and how much it has an impact on things. I've been astounded the last two years I been out since learning of the Annual event, with how much trash & tires the volunteers collect each year. And I can only image of how it would just continue to stock pile if the Two Trackers discontinue the ever growing event.

But I can image as I take pictures of stock piles of tires, shattered windows, furniture, kids toys, household trash, beer cans, soda bottles, shingles and etc. It was a reality check for me on the importance of the "Pack out what you pack in rule", the reality of the responsibility we all have and in take care of mother nature and also in stride to the fight to keeping the trails open for
4x4's to ride, people to walk and enjoy, horseback riders a place to go as well to enjoy such a beautiful place in nature. So let's keep our trails and land from looking like the following pictures:


























So I just wanted to give thanks to those who are loyal to the fight of keeping our trails open and are environment clean and are willing to volunteer there time to clean up after those who just dump trash out on the trails with no regards or respect for the earth or anyone for that matter, as it is people like that that give 4x4's a bad rap and that's exactly what fighting against.
Also I would encourage everyone to be willing to donate some time and
self-effort to help in maintain our trail systems for all to enjoy and as well in the time of being "Green" to do your part and help spread the word to others and ask for their help as well.

Here are some links for those who are leading us in this fight...

http://www.twotrackers.org/
http://www.ufwda.org/
http://www.sharetrails.org/
http://www.treadlightly.org/page.php/home/Home.html
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #2
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Anyone know when the big twotrackers clean up is... I want to come this year since I couldn't last year.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:00 PM   #3
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Check out there web site usally like the first week of April. It will be posted on the front pg here as well.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:57 AM   #4
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Don't forget our own state association.

http://www.glfwda.org/index.php
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 09:21 AM   #5
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Thanks MB!
Nice to know it's actually working, eh?
A little FYI, our adoption area DID look JUST like those pictures (and WORSE) before we started to clean them 11 years ago.

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Anyone know when the big twotrackers clean up is... I want to come this year since I couldn't last year.

Always the 3rd Saturday in April (Usually the closest Saturday to Earth Day).

This year it falls on April 18th.
Registration from 8-9:00 am.

Also, this year we're making changes to the registration process to speed it up.

GLFWDA has also been kind enough to schedule their Quarterly Meeting for Sunday the 19th in Silver Lake so that their membership will have all the more reason to help with the Clean Up, and also the participants can also more easily attend the GLFWDA Meeting.

See you there (hopefully at both)!
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Old February 8th, 2009, 09:52 PM   #6
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I noticed the same thing in SW Florida. You couldnt go 10ft on a trail without having to move dishwashers or fridges or T.V.s massive amounts of mysterious containers that you just knew had motor oil and coolant in them. It was so disgusting that I just lost the desire to wheel. Made it even worse, red tide was in so I couldnt even go to the beach! Anyways, I agree it really puts things into prospective. It makes me wonder though, I know this fight we are in is WAAAY BIGGER than just Michigan. But how big? I pick up trash with my kid EVERY time we wheel or hunt to make it habit for him. I wish my eyes were open to this and its impact now when I was a kid. Its muffed up!
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Old February 13th, 2009, 09:35 PM   #7
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Saturday, April 18
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Old February 13th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #8
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Has anybody adressed the issue of getting rid of the trash we pick up on trail maint? As I recall, trail maint in michigan doesnt' actually mean "pick up trash." It's really only a way to keep the brush cut back and fallen trees off the trails. Although, all of us have gone WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND and pick up nearlyeverything and anything on the trails. But, the DNR has not posted dumpters or dump sites for all of this trash we pick up. Thankfully the locals have helped us in the past, letting us utilize thier dumpsters.
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Has anybody adressed the issue of getting rid of the trash we pick up on trail maint? As I recall, trail maint in michigan doesnt' actually mean "pick up trash." It's really only a way to keep the brush cut back and fallen trees off the trails. Although, all of us have gone WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND and pick up nearlyeverything and anything on the trails. But, the DNR has not posted dumpters or dump sites for all of this trash we pick up. Thankfully the locals have helped us in the past, letting us utilize thier dumpsters.
I have adressed it in the past and was told if there is a dumpster at the local DNR office that we could deposit it there. Other than that we are on our own, becuase like you said, we are not there to pick up trash when doing ORV trail maint.
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Please visit our website for more information on this year's clean-up event.

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Old March 1st, 2009, 06:10 PM   #11
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Sad to say, probably most of that crap comes from the houses closest to the areas, judging by the junk piling up by their houses. Bubba probably laughs, seeing us cart out his junk
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I have adressed it in the past and was told if there is a dumpster at the local DNR office that we could deposit it there. Other than that we are on our own, becuase like you said, we are not there to pick up trash when doing ORV trail maint.
They were quite surprised the last time we showed up there (at the office) to get rid of trash we picked up, and they did not have a dumpster their either. Though they did take the bedsprings off our hands.

This is thew most retarded thing I have heard in my life, as picking up trash is maintaining the trail - and more so then trimming back a couple branches so we don't get a scratch or whipped in the face (my opinion).

When I went with SoFO on their maintenance there was very little to do as far as maintenance. There was IIRC one tree down and just a few trees to trim back. There is no reason IMO for this NOT to happen at the same time. Especially considering we hauled out 3 trucks and a trailer FULL of trash and tires at the maintenance.

If we are there to do the work we should do the work as how many times will you get people there willing andf prepared to work for a day. Shawn, Brian, Adam and I basically had a game of it and had a blast doing it.
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For sure on the trash deal, I'm always bringing stuff off the trail, but it be great to have a place to take it then I could get some of the bigger stuff.
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They were quite surprised the last time we showed up there (at the office) to get rid of trash we picked up, and they did not have a dumpster their either. Though they did take the bedsprings off our hands.

This is thew most retarded thing I have heard in my life, as picking up trash is maintaining the trail - and more so then trimming back a couple branches so we don't get a scratch or whipped in the face (my opinion).

When I went with SoFO on their maintenance there was very little to do as far as maintenance. There was IIRC one tree down and just a few trees to trim back. There is no reason IMO for this NOT to happen at the same time. Especially considering we hauled out 3 trucks and a trailer FULL of trash and tires at the maintenance.

If we are there to do the work we should do the work as how many times will you get people there willing andf prepared to work for a day. Shawn, Brian, Adam and I basically had a game of it and had a blast doing it.
Maybe I can help with clarifying. When we are doing trail maintenance for the DNR, the contractual requirement is to brush the trails to the proper width, be sure there are no trees across the trails, be sure that all signs are visible, including confidence markers and stop signs and finally replace any missing signs. This is what the DNR pays us to do.

Now, common sense says that when we run across trash along the trail that we pick it up. But what Pat was saying is that isn't what the DNR is expecting us to do. That help?
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Over the past few years I have been helping organizing the trail clean up in the Marquette area.

Every year I go in and have a meeting or two with the DNR Rep and find places of interest to them that need attention. We have a set date with them when they will provide a dumpster for us to fill and have it at a set location.

For people that are interested in doing clean ups talk with your local dnr post and let them know what you want to do. It has always worked out well for us up north.

****Also if you are out on the trails and come across dump sites try to mark them on a GPS, by cross trails/roads and take pictures of the site. Take This into the DNR and show them. This provides knowledge of the problem to them and allows them to make a clean up plan for certain areas and hopefully some extra attention to the area to try and prevent further dumping.
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Maybe I can help with clarifying. When we are doing trail maintenance for the DNR, the contractual requirement is to brush the trails to the proper width, be sure there are no trees across the trails, be sure that all signs are visible, including confidence markers and stop signs and finally replace any missing signs. This is what the DNR pays us to do.

Now, common sense says that when we run across trash along the trail that we pick it up. But what Pat was saying is that isn't what the DNR is expecting us to do. That help?
Jim hit it the nail on the head. When I said we are not there to pick up trash and we are on our own, what I meant was the DNR does not have a set plan in place to accomodate the trash we ALWAYS pickup during trail maintanence. And your correct Jacob, we do more trash pickup than actual signage and brushing. Nature of the beast I guess.

I think some of the confusion comes from the term "trail cleanup" versus "trail maintanence"

Trail cleanup is something like what the Two trackers are doing or what the post above mentioned. This can be organized through the DNR or USFS as Adopt A Forest or the like.

Trail Maintanence on the other hand is a contractual agreement between the grantor and the grantee. In this case GLFWDA is the grantee and the DNR ORV program is the grantor. The funds for trail maint. come from the sales of the ORV sticker and the contract is for the brushing, in our case 72" wide, and for the signage required under the contract. While we are there it would be highly irresponsible not to pick up trash.

I know that these two are entirely different endeavors, they do both share the same enviromental responsibility of packing out what we pack in, even though we are not the ones who originally packed it in. It begs the question, who are the real enviromentalist? I believe that would be the outdoorsman or woman.

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Maybe I can help with clarifying. When we are doing trail maintenance for the DNR, the contractual requirement is to brush the trails to the proper width, be sure there are no trees across the trails, be sure that all signs are visible, including confidence markers and stop signs and finally replace any missing signs. This is what the DNR pays us to do.

Now, common sense says that when we run across trash along the trail that we pick it up. But what Pat was saying is that isn't what the DNR is expecting us to do. That help?


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Jim hit it the nail on the head. When I said we are not there to pick up trash and we are on our own, what I meant was the DNR does not have a set plan in place to accomodate the trash we ALWAYS pickup during trail maintanence. And your correct Jacob, we do more trash pickup than actual signage and brushing. Nature of the beast I guess.

I think some of the confusion comes from the term "trail cleanup" versus "trail maintanence"

Trail cleanup is something like what the Two trackers are doing or what the post above mentioned. This can be organized through the DNR or USFS as Adopt A Forest or the like.

Trail Maintanence on the other hand is a contractual agreement between the grantor and the grantee. In this case GLFWDA is the grantee and the DNR ORV program is the grantor. The funds for trail maint. come from the sales of the ORV sticker and the contract is for the brushing, in our case 72" wide, and for the signage required under the contract. While we are there it would be highly irresponsible not to pick up trash.

I know that these two are entirely different endeavors, they do both share the same enviromental responsibility of packing out what we pack in, even though we are not the ones who originally packed it in. It begs the question, who are the real enviromentalist? I believe that would be the outdoorsman or woman.
Thanks both of you for the clarification. I know I never knew there was a distinguishable difference between the two until Ryan (Kixx007) invited us along to the SoFO maintenance. I thought it was a cleanup and brought my trailer along. We all worked at picking up stuff and never even thought about how we would get rid of it (thinking there was a dumpster at the DNR station) We ended up with a couple trucks, and my trailer full.

I guess what I was trying to say (and it's not our fault sounds like a DNR thing) is why even have that distinction? (Philosophically) The maintenance is far less work IMO - at least for the sections of trail we did, You would think they would be pushing getting that trash out at the same time.
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Two entirely different animals.

If you have the chance to do trail maint. elsewhere on some of the miles GLFWDA maintains you will notice that not all of our granted ORV routes have trash on them. And if they did it would not be a significant enough amount to be considered an "adopt a forest" situation. Also, the contract we have through the ORV program pays a certain amount per mile of route and or trail for specific work. Trying to figure in a trash pickup into that equation is best left alone. Especially when we pick it up for free.

North Branch route would be a good example of this. Our club, Tri-City Trailriders does this 26 mile ORV route and we seldom come accross anything other than an occasional beer can or fast food wrapper. However we have a ton of downed signs in the spring as this route is also a snowmobile trail and the groomers can accidently take down signs and their posts. This leaves us with a busy day just trying to get through it in a timely manner.

I know what your trying to say but with the breuracracy that is government, you can only imagine the choas that would involve. The DNR does have proper chanels to go through for the Adopt A Forest program, in which, not just the ORV routes or trails would be involved but rather a section of forest gets the attention and is devided as such. This has no funds attached to it with the exception of what the Department would have to lay out for a collection container near the cleanup site.

Some of our miles also only have a small amount of members that do the work. This leaves very little time to focus on anything but the task at hand. It is imperative that the signage and brushing be done to spec as they get inspected and if not done properly could result in injury to a user and litigation could follow. The grantee would be on the sorry end of this one. So needless to say it is in the best interest of the Assoc. to stay on task and if the situation allows, by all means do what you can do to leave it better than it was found.
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