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Old February 26th, 2009, 07:32 PM   #61
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Please explain in 200 hundred words or less with proper sentences, nouns, verbs and 8x10 color glossy photos how the union decides the pay rate. This is the wrong for so many reasons.
Oh, and I have been a business owner, managed union employees and now work for a privately owned, debt free successful business that decides it's own rates. They pay based on perfomance not seniority, great pay, great benifits, great retirement and lot's of opportunity.
Good for you Im not sure on everything but to make it all clear i will call my BA in the morning and find out .
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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #62
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My wife makes most of my clothes except my overalls and my computer is a gateway which says its amde in south dakota. And my overalls are craftsman and carharttboth say made in usa so what else you got?
The computer may have been assembled in SD, but I guarantee the parts inside it were produced in southeast Asia and shipped here in giant containers. Hell, I doubt it was even assembled in the US. It was probably dropped in a box in SD and they slapped a Made in the USA sticker on the box.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #63
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I haven't heard one so called "SCAB" complain about their job or pay. So what are we arguing about?
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Old February 26th, 2009, 11:21 PM   #64
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But anyways the bigger issue is are unions good for the USA?

It should go without saying that unions are good for people who are in them. But what about the companies that are being driven out of business because they are stuck with union work rules that make them uncompetitive in the global market place. That make it so the only way they can compete is to send the jobs overseas?

Is it good for me that you're in a union?
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Old February 26th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #65
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But anyways the bigger issue is are unions good for the USA?

It should go without saying that unions are good for people who are in them. But what about the companies that are being driven out of business because they are stuck with union work rules that make them uncompetitive in the global market place. That make it so the only way they can compete is to send the jobs overseas?

Is it good for me that you're in a union?
Honestly everyone can say what they want about unions but not all unions are ridiculously paid! I work in a factory and we are part of the Teamsters Union... I make $15.04 an hour which dont get me wrong is not minimum wage but it is also not 6-figures like some people i know! I make a living with what i make and my wife works part time! So not all unions are overpaid!

What is driving americas economy and jobs into the ground is all the illegal immigrants that come to america ILLEGALLY and take an honest americans job because they work for $10/day instead of $10/hour! Then we export all of our jobs overseas to get a shittier product for less money TO A LARGE company but NOT TO US... THE PEOPLE! Why is our government giving out money to these companies when these companies are using that money to run their business and support workers outside of the United States! SO PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THIS ON UNIONS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE BLAMING THEIR OWN DAMN GOVERNMENT!!!!

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO SEEING... MADE IN AMERICA ?

We dont see that enough anymore!

At my job we are paid by our job classifications and not by seniority so I make the same as the guys that have been there 30 years doing the same job as me! It is called being treated equally like our constitutional right!

I VOTE FOR THE UNION!

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Old February 27th, 2009, 01:43 AM   #66
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Honestly everyone can say what they want about unions but not all unions are ridiculously paid! I work in a factory and we are part of the Teamsters Union... I make $15.04 an hour which dont get me wrong is not minimum wage but it is also not 6-figures like some people i know! I make a living with what i make and my wife works part time! So not all unions are overpaid!

What is driving americas economy and jobs into the ground is all the illegal immigrants that come to america ILLEGALLY and take an honest americans job because they work for $10/day instead of $10/hour! Then we export all of our jobs overseas to get a shittier product for less money TO A LARGE company but NOT TO US... THE PEOPLE! Why is our government giving out money to these companies when these companies are using that money to run their business and support workers outside of the United States! SO PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THIS ON UNIONS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE BLAMING THEIR OWN DAMN GOVERNMENT!!!!

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO SEEING... MADE IN AMERICA ?

We dont see that enough anymore!

At my job we are paid by our job classifications and not by seniority so I make the same as the guys that have been there 30 years doing the same job as me! It is called being treated equally like our constitutional right!

I VOTE FOR THE UNION!
You and the rest of the union lovers here have no idea how business works and why jobs are sent overseas.
And your wrong, for the most part about immigrant workers stealing your jobs.
Brainwashed dolts.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 05:45 AM   #67
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You and the rest of the union lovers here have no idea how business works and why jobs are sent overseas.
And your wrong, for the most part about immigrant workers stealing your jobs.
Brainwashed dolts.
your just jealous your a scab makin minimum wage and not in a union.
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At my job we are paid by our job classifications and not by seniority so I make the same as the guys that have been there 30 years doing the same job as me! It is called being treated equally like our constitutional right!
So, a guy with 30 years of experience doing a job is paid the same thing as a guy with 3 hours of training and a new pair of work boots? Yep. That is fair. Why not put your OWN work on the line and EARN better pay rather than just sitting and watching your pay scale change? Anyone that believes that there should be "equality" on the job is doomed to mediocrity. Work harder, make more. Learn more, be more productive, make more...
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$50 dollars and hour? What are you the guy on the backside of the gloryhole?? And our starting wage isnt 14 dollars an hour its 15.91 an hour. And to let you know i am taking classes now to improve myself . My sentence structre and spelling may not be the best. But thats from reasons you dont know about. I have spent the last 2 years improving my speech and use of the english language . And just so you know what happened , I stopped to help a guy with a flat tire and he beat me with a baseball bat and robbed me while i was changing his tire Probably one of you friends Asshole
What happened CJ did you call him a scab fukc?

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Old February 27th, 2009, 08:12 AM   #70
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Honestly everyone can say what they want about unions but not all unions are ridiculously paid! I work in a factory and we are part of the Teamsters Union... I make $15.04 an hour which dont get me wrong is not minimum wage but it is also not 6-figures like some people i know! I make a living with what i make and my wife works part time! So not all unions are overpaid!

What is driving americas economy and jobs into the ground is all the illegal immigrants that come to america ILLEGALLY and take an honest americans job because they work for $10/day instead of $10/hour! Then we export all of our jobs overseas to get a shittier product for less money TO A LARGE company but NOT TO US... THE PEOPLE! Why is our government giving out money to these companies when these companies are using that money to run their business and support workers outside of the United States! SO PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THIS ON UNIONS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE BLAMING THEIR OWN DAMN GOVERNMENT!!!!

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO SEEING... MADE IN AMERICA ?

We dont see that enough anymore!

At my job we are paid by our job classifications and not by seniority so I make the same as the guys that have been there 30 years doing the same job as me! It is called being treated equally like our constitutional right!

I VOTE FOR THE UNION!
My personal experience is with Teamsters. They might be worse than uaw.
It's not necessarily wages but work rules, what they will do or more like what they won't do.....They are teh suck
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Old February 27th, 2009, 08:16 AM   #71
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No kids no toys ! No neices or nephews so no toys in the family. None of my family has everbeen to a wal mart either ! I look over everything i buy if its not made in the USA or Canada ( my wifes canadian) we dont buy it . Plain and simple if you take time to research what you buy you can buy american made products. I would love to have a LCD tv but till i find one made in america i wont buy on . I still have a old sit on the floor model tv from the late 70's early 80's that was my grandparents (that i have had fixed once ) and well i will have it till it dies. Then if i cant buy an american made tv Im not sure what id do. I have just the one tv by choice. So what else can you come up with ? I may not have stylish clothes or nice bling in the house but i am a proud american buy products made by americans.
What about the steel from overseas for everything made in the USA, China took over the steel market years ago. American cars are 45% Import.
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The computer may have been assembled in SD, but I guarantee the parts inside it were produced in southeast Asia and shipped here in giant containers. Hell, I doubt it was even assembled in the US. It was probably dropped in a box in SD and they slapped a Made in the USA sticker on the box.
The box Was made in the USA
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But anyways the bigger issue is are unions good for the USA?

It should go without saying that unions are good for people who are in them. But what about the companies that are being driven out of business because they are stuck with union work rules that make them uncompetitive in the global market place. That make it so the only way they can compete is to send the jobs overseas?

Is it good for me that you're in a union?

Nice Brew, All union guys are fat & happy. Not good for the USA, The Libs love them so they must be bad for the country
The UAW ruined the American car market. The non union companies in the south seem to be doing just fine with out all the over paid bennies. Who ever said it was good for the country? Good for the workers = Bad for the country

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At my job we are paid by our job classifications and not by seniority so I make the same as the guys that have been there 30 years doing the same job as me! It is called being treated equally like our constitutional right!

I VOTE FOR THE UNION!

Wow that sucks the teamsters might be the only good union 1 week experience for the same pay as a 30 year guy? You guys need a new union
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:20 AM   #75
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there is absolutely nothing wrong with Unions...

and greed is what is killing our country.

you guys say unions are horrible, but you fail to realize that unions were formed because big business wanted to fukc over their workers... offering minimum wage and lay off's for years of dedicated work. unions are the spawn of industrial greed.

alot of you say that unions are killing the auto industry... i personally believe this is true to an extant but not the complete truth. big business and unions need to realize they are in a symbiotic relationship a business cannot function/prosper with out their workers and workers cannot prosper with out their job and some sort of decent consistent wage

for some reason big business feels that they are entitled to as much profit as possible and the same for union members

so back to the original statement once again greed is the true villain

if everyone was to take a step back and be like hmmmm that guy pushin a broom who has worked here for 15 years with no real education really doesnt need to make $20.00 an hr and the same for big business if they were to go man each of us really dont need another million in our bank accounts maybe we should invest this money else where perhaps in a downtime savings account so maybe after some time enough money has built up in the savings so when business is down we dont have to lay people off

the whole thing is just sad.
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$20 buck plus $25 per hr. in bennies. Lets not lay anyone off and just keep bleeding. Then lay them off and pay them 90%. GM is the Titanic.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:59 AM   #77
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there is absolutely nothing wrong with Unions...

and greed is what is killing our country.

you guys say unions are horrible, but you fail to realize that unions were formed because big business wanted to fukc over their workers... offering minimum wage and lay off's for years of dedicated work. unions are the spawn of industrial greed.

alot of you say that unions are killing the auto industry... i personally believe this is true to an extant but not the complete truth. big business and unions need to realize they are in a symbiotic relationship a business cannot function/prosper with out their workers and workers cannot prosper with out their job and some sort of decent consistent wage

for some reason big business feels that they are entitled to as much profit as possible and the same for union members

so back to the original statement once again greed is the true villain

if everyone was to take a step back and be like hmmmm that guy pushin a broom who has worked here for 15 years with no real education really doesnt need to make $20.00 an hr and the same for big business if they were to go man each of us really dont need another million in our bank accounts maybe we should invest this money else where perhaps in a downtime savings account so maybe after some time enough money has built up in the savings so when business is down we dont have to lay people off

the whole thing is just sad.

Unions were created to protect workers, PRIOR to laws that now stand such as the 40 hour work week, disability insurance, workers compensation and unemployment, OSHA....etc! They did what they needed to do and now are no longer a viable way to do business in a global economy.

Yes, steel is now produced mostly overseas, due to greedy unions and overpaid workers. My grandfather was a steelworker.

Ever read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.....
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Old February 27th, 2009, 10:31 AM   #78
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the onlything these guy's know about unions is what they hear in the news. they don't know anything about the operating engineers, pipe layers, tin nockers, sprinkler fitters. UAW has given union's a bad name
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the onlything these guy's know about unions is what they hear in the news. they don't know anything about the operating engineers, pipe layers, tin nockers, sprinkler fitters. UAW has given union's a bad name
Yep, you got us. None of us have ever worked with or around any union people ever. It is just that darned media that makes you guys look bad. I totally get it now.
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i'm not saying everybody
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