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Old December 17th, 2008, 03:34 PM   #81
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I would rather drive the vehicle however it's needed to make the challenge if a precise aproach doesnt do it and not have to worry or back down if I know I can make it but I'll have to be hard on it.
on a similar note;
I have seen more times than I can remember where someone can easily make the challenge but they just dont put forth the effort whether it's by pushing it or not.... it's almost like people are afraid of what their vehicle can do if they use some techniques to make progress. I think the people above (in general, not as a whole) are the ones that can make axles live longer than the average wheeler.

and back on-topic.... I think the general idea of 60's being required for the albicore trails comes from the fact that if you have 60's it usually doesnt matter what kind of driver you are, you arent going to be likely to break.... with a dana 44 and 37" tires there is a lot more uncertainty to the strength of the axles and also takes out the factor if the driver knows how to drive a vehicle with fragile axles or not.

theres some more fuel for the fire!
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Old December 17th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #82
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I'd rather not risk a break that may delay the group or the amount of wheeling I get to do that day/that weekend. I like a challenge but I hate equipment failure more if it could be avoided by an extra 5 minutes pulling cable or taking a strap.
And therein also lies a big difference between those who choose a D44 and those who choose a D60. My whole purpose by going to a D60 was to attempt to become as bullet proof as possible. Not for the bling but rather to eliminate the need to carry spare shafts & joints.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 04:22 PM   #83
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So then you put d60's in, but then who runs 37's and D60's? That would be a massive set of potato diggers with 37's.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 04:51 PM   #84
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What is the axle centerline to bottom of diff difference from a D44 front and a D60 front? Potatoe digging commence.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #85
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Ok I run 37's with my stock 4.0 in my XJ, So should I run a 44 or a 60?
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Old December 17th, 2008, 06:45 PM   #86
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Ok I run 37's with my stock 4.0 in my XJ, So should I run a 44 or a 60?
That's pretty open ended.... What kind of wheeling are you going to be doing? How frequently? Are you planning or even maybe thinking about going bigger? I think the Dana 60 thing is like the sticky thing.... Once you go to them you never go back!
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omfg .. this thread is full of horse shit now.

Are 37"s the new 35"s turned into axle strength and cost comparisons ... just get out and do some fucking wheeling and stfu. If you're building a rig .. build it .. if you have a rig .. wheel it .. if you have stock axles .. use your head .. if you have built axles .. wheel it .. hard. Cheese and rice.

Just so a point is made .. in general, yes, it seems common that more people who used to have 35's now have 37's and most the guys I know that had 36's to 37's are now on 39.5 and up.

To each their own.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #88
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So then you put d60's in, but then who runs 37's and D60's? That would be a massive set of potato diggers with 37's.


I will be. 37" iroks on 7.5" wide wheels. on front and rear 60s. Both shaved a little
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omfg .. this thread is full of horse shit now.

Are 37"s the new 35"s turned into axle strength and cost comparisons ... just get out and do some fucking wheeling and stfu. If you're building a rig .. build it .. if you have a rig .. wheel it .. if you have stock axles .. use your head .. if you have built axles .. wheel it .. hard. Cheese and rice.

Just so a point is made .. in general, yes, it seems common that more people who used to have 35's now have 37's and most the guys I know that had 36's to 37's are now on 39.5 and up.

To each their own.

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My Jeep is my DD and anytime anywhere I can drive it to wheel it, Wheeling in AL now with rock, mud and rutted out mts. Been out a few times with stock D30 with small u joints (93XJ) and went through the stuff I dared to try, climbed some nasty hills with rock ledges in 4low and a light foot and with 4.10 turning the 37's climbed over everything slowly but it made it. Have not tried the real nasty stuff with 3ft+ steps as to not break, I'm gentle but don't want to be skipping stuff in the matter I may break.
I built my rig to run 33's, with the way of going to 35's, I like the 35's but I like my 37's better and I'm pretty content running the 37's, but if I upgrade anything then I think I just might save more money up front if I plan for like 39's as to be not in the same predicament of having to upgrade again.
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I shal call you "thee god of wheeling"
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My Jeep is my DD and anytime anywhere I can drive it to wheel it, Wheeling in AL now with rock, mud and rutted out mts. Been out a few times with stock D30 with small u joints (93XJ) and went through the stuff I dared to try, climbed some nasty hills with rock ledges in 4low and a light foot and with 4.10 turning the 37's climbed over everything slowly but it made it. Have not tried the real nasty stuff with 3ft+ steps as to not break, I'm gentle but don't want to be skipping stuff in the matter I may break.
I built my rig to run 33's, with the way of going to 35's, I like the 35's but I like my 37's better and I'm pretty content running the 37's, but if I upgrade anything then I think I just might save more money up front if I plan for like 39's as to be not in the same predicament of having to upgrade again.
no offence intended.... it sounds like you need to do some more wheeling. once you get some more seat time and find out what kind of wheeling you want to do mostly and if you ever want to have a wheeling spefic rig. once you get those thinkgs figured out then you can decide if you need dana 60's... I wouldnt recommend them in anything that sees DD duties... if it's occasional high speed travel, thats fine but if you drive the jeep every day you dont need 60's under it.
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If I did the 60 I wouldn't be driven it everyday. But I want to drive my rig to whatever I want to wheel at, not have to trailer it.
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Even with the various sid etracks, lots of good interesting info in the thread.


Do you need need Dana 60s with 37s? If you do, you already know it. For probably 90% of wheelers, the answer is no. (Stickies are a completley difference discussion here and not relevent to the thread otherwise, except in the fact that they can be had in the 37" size). That doesn't mean no breakage will ever occur. Its wheeling, shit breaks.

I do not see any larger tire becoming the new anything, given the fact that a meaningful increase does now push most vehicles into axle issues, for the average driving style. And I don't think that most of the people that it really pertains to, are willing to spend that kind of coin, or want to go to that level.
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So should I bling out my 30 and call it a day?
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So should I bling out my 30 and call it a day?
No

......... and I think we can all actually agree on that
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So should I bling out my 30 and call it a day?
Not for 37s, nope (although we do have a member in our club running 37" iroks on his D30, he does break parts, knows its limitations, brings spares, and knows how to work on it).

For 35s, in most stock motor/trans situations, I'd have no problem running a Dana 30 front. Heavy/Big 35s, like a 35x15.5 SX, etc, obviously are again a difference scenario.
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Not for 37s, nope (although we do have a member in our club running 37" iroks on his D30, he does break parts, knows its limitations, brings spares, and knows how to work on it).

For 35s, in most stock motor/trans situations, I'd have no problem running a Dana 30 front. Heavy/Big 35s, like a 35x15.5 SX, etc, obviously are again a difference scenario.
Whew!! For a minute there, I thought you meant me, but I am only running 36's!

I agree though that you need to know the limitations of your equipment, then go from there. My 30 is upgraded with Chromoly's so it helps a bit. (I hope)
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If I did the 60 I wouldn't be driven it everyday. But I want to drive my rig to whatever I want to wheel at, not have to trailer it.
if you did end up with 60's then I would recommend not putting them in the XJ (assuming that's your wheeler based on the pictures) I dont mean to offend any one with an XJ but how many of you that have one and have gone to 60s wishes they would have started with a different vehicle?

if you do make a vehicle that big some day I would suggest starting with something that has replaceable panels like the windshield, roof, etc. and most important one is a full frame to work from.

do some more wheeling, save your pennies and buy something used and either use it as it, make the needed mods to be "yours" or part it out and use all of the good parts on the future build you would want.
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if you did end up with 60's then I would recommend not putting them in the XJ (assuming that's your wheeler based on the pictures) I dont mean to offend any one with an XJ but how many of you that have one and have gone to 60s wishes they would have started with a different vehicle?

if you do make a vehicle that big some day I would suggest starting with something that has replaceable panels like the windshield, roof, etc. and most important one is a full frame to work from.

do some more wheeling, save your pennies and buy something used and either use it as it, make the needed mods to be "yours" or part it out and use all of the good parts on the future build you would want.

See that is what I was thinking is getting a yj or well a tj and going from there.
All right thanks all for the feedback.
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