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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #1
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Default 60 vs 44 costs (cause this is so much fun!)

All parts are list from same sources between axles.





Just for fun, my current 609 estimate.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:58 PM   #2
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Good numbers and informative. If you really want to do it complete, you should add Randy's super joints, or Longfields or CTM's along with a heavy duty diff cover.

BTW, if it makes you feel better, I was wrong to say that my 60 was cheaper than a 44. But, it's certainly stronger.
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My 60 and 14B were $1200 together (disregarding shipping because I wanted them immediately). Both were already geared and had working brakes, and the 14B had a Detroit. I added $250 for a Lockrite in the 60 and had two locked 1-ton axles installed in my rig for under $1500. Meh. Worked well for me and my penis growing 42s

Sure they aren't blingin with cool parts, but what eva yo'...
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good break down!

for what I have into my dana 44's in my tracker I'm certain I could have had 60's that would be trouble free instead of needing maintenance all the time.

here is the break down of my spider hi-9's for anyone who cares:

5 lug front roller kit: 2060.00
brake rotors: 420
calipers, pads and mounts: 415
steering arms: 330
drive flanges: 250
inner seals: 50
inner shafts can be anywhere from 1500 to 3500 so we'll round down to 2000
center section: 35 spline spool and nodular case from yukon or strange or someone is about $1000 or you can spend another grand and get a hi-9 which is the ultimate.

front spider hi-9 all decked out... by no means is this as much as you can spend on an axle... this is till relatively "cheap" compared to what some people are running.

$7525

the rear is about $4000 depending on how you do it.

now if I saw this price before I started my project I'd tell you you were smoking crack.... I bought one piece at a time as I had a few extra dollars here and there, sold everything I could think of and skip lunch some days and eat on $3 other days I eventually got most of the parts.... now most of you wouldnt think of skipping on lunch to afford parts and others find it common... I'm hoping that by doing this that some day i'll have a little bit of a return on this investment and I'll still be having fun while I'm at it.

nomatter what vehicle you have, you should always have good axles because they will out-live everything they are attached to!
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thats a good breakdown of spider 9's. i have a significant amount more into both of mine but i have 300m shafts and other "bling" stuff.

rear steer also adds a shit ton of money to the rear axle too. i figured what the hell and bought it anyways. its not like i can take the money with me when i die right?
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thats a good breakdown of spider 9's. i have a significant amount more into both of mine but i have 300m shafts and other "bling" stuff.

rear steer also adds a shit ton of money to the rear axle too. i figured what the hell and bought it anyways. its not like i can take the money with me when i die right?
it is not that much more for 300m inners if you get the from the right place... spidertrax inners with longfield joints breaks down to:
inners: 1300
outers: 1000
joints: 400

totaling 2700 as opposed to the 2000 I factored in or the 1300 it would cost for mosers machined for 50 degrees and longfield 300m joints... ot you can go with the 1550 knuckles for an extra 100-150 and run the longfield cv's which would be awesome but you are limited to 45 degrees by design of the cv. otherwise 300m 1550 shafts from ctm are in the neighbor hood of $4500

the big difference of where you cost came in is the rear steer... as you can see that is abotu 2x the cost of a rear axle so you spent 15000 as opposed to 11000.

rear shafts are 1100 from CTM with drive flanges which I thought was amazing... longfield sells just 300m double splined shafts for 375 each which is very affordable and I'm not sure where branik is but they are probably pretty affordable too.

when I bite the bullet I'm probably going with CTM in the rear just because I can and the 300m spidertrax stuff in the front.

just out of curiousity.... what vehicle are you putting the spider 9's in?

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-inner shafts can be anywhere from 1500 to 3500 so we'll round down to 2000
-center section: 35 spline spool and nodular case from yukon or strange or someone is about $1000 or you can spend another grand and get a hi-9 which is the ultimate.
1500 - 3500 for inner shafts? Can you expand on this a little? Why could one not run Yukon 60 inners?

As for the center.
225-325 center section (Strange N2206 or N1906)
80-100 pinion support
125-225 spool (Yukon or Auburn)
125 gears
100 install kit

$655 - $875 for the center. If you run the spool made for the 3.06 housings you can save another 225-325.
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My 60 and 14B were $1200 together (disregarding shipping because I wanted them immediately). Both were already geared and had working brakes, and the 14B had a Detroit. I added $250 for a Lockrite in the 60 and had two locked 1-ton axles installed in my rig for under $1500. Meh. Worked well for me and my penis growing 42s

Sure they aren't blingin with cool parts, but what eva yo'...
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500 for Gears and install kits + 650 for labor + 300 for lock rite = Dana 30 w/4.10s and Chrysler 8.25 w/ 4.10s and lock rite = 1 month of fun and 2nd blown motor
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1500 - 3500 for inner shafts? Can you expand on this a little? Why could one not run Yukon 60 inners?

As for the center.
225-325 center section (Strange N2206 or N1906)
80-100 pinion support
125-225 spool (Yukon or Auburn)
125 gears
100 install kit

$655 - $875 for the center. If you run the spool made for the 3.06 housings you can save another 225-325.
1500 for shafts... it's a ball park figure... branik motorsports sells machined moser or yukons for about 900 that gets you the 50 degrees of steering that the knuckles are capable of. add in some ujoints that will hold up and you have 1300-1500 for shafts. now if you want to be billy bad ass you can spend 3500 for CTM inners that are ready to drop in and run.

you cant run normal unmachined shafts in the knuckles unless you put on steering stops and also dont mind breaking a shaft in case you over steer or the knuckles flex. if you are going to pinch pennies, a $7000 front axle is not the place.

and for the center, if you really want you can piece together parts and assemble it yourself... either way you arent getting something strong and reliable for less than 800.... you can have 4 wheel parts build you one that you pull out of the package and drop in for $1000 so you might as well do that to save you the hassles of piecing the right things together and all of the individual shipping costs taht will get added up also.
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1500 for shafts... it's a ball park figure... branik motorsports sells machined moser or yukons for about 900 that gets you the 50 degrees of steering that the knuckles are capable of. add in some ujoints that will hold up and you have 1300-1500 for shafts. now if you want to be billy bad ass you can spend 3500 for CTM inners that are ready to drop in and run.

you cant run normal unmachined shafts in the knuckles unless you put on steering stops and also dont mind breaking a shaft in case you over steer or the knuckles flex. if you are going to pinch pennies, a $7000 front axle is not the place.

and for the center, if you really want you can piece together parts and assemble it yourself... either way you arent getting something strong and reliable for less than 800.... you can have 4 wheel parts build you one that you pull out of the package and drop in for $1000 so you might as well do that to save you the hassles of piecing the right things together and all of the individual shipping costs taht will get added up also.
Ah OK, you were talking about the spider 9 steering capacity. You just had me worried that I was going to drop 1K on shafts, when I had $300-$400 budgeted for my inners. 37 deg is fine for me and my suspension, and I will be running stock 60 outer knuckles.

I hear you on the center, I just wanted to give real pricing as I had just done that last week. Personally I would pay the same price to setup my third as one pre-built. That way I know it's done right with quality parts and bearings. My rear center is going to be around $650 with a Strange N2206 and an Aubrun spool I snagged for $80 on FleaBay.
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1500 - 3500 for inner shafts? Can you expand on this a little? Why could one not run Yukon 60 inners?

As for the center.
225-325 center section (Strange N2206 or N1906)
80-100 pinion support
125-225 spool (Yukon or Auburn)
125 gears
100 install kit

$655 - $875 for the center. If you run the spool made for the 3.06 housings you can save another 225-325.
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Ah OK, you were talking about the spider 9 steering capacity. You just had me worried that I was going to drop 1K on shafts, when I had $300-$400 budgeted for my inners. 37 deg is fine for me and my suspension, and I will be running stock 60 outer knuckles.

I hear you on the center, I just wanted to give real pricing as I had just done that last week. Personally I would pay the same price to setup my third as one pre-built. That way I know it's done right with quality parts and bearings. My rear center is going to be around $650 with a Strange N2206 and an Aubrun spool I snagged for $80 on FleaBay.

for what it's worth moser has some damn good deals on complete rear axle/bearing/spool packages.... off that spool on ebay and but one of their matched kits.... really affordable, pretty much what you can piece it together for while finding the cheapest parts.
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for what it's worth moser has some damn good deals on complete rear axle/bearing/spool packages.... off that spool on ebay and but one of their matched kits.... really affordable, pretty much what you can piece it together for while finding the cheapest parts.
I'm saving ~$150 this way.

Dutchman shafts, retainers, bearings $370
This Spool $80

$450

Moser package is $590 with an unknown spool.

I know it's only $140, but that is money I can spend elsewhere, and I can gather all the parts, build my third first, then buy the shafts later when the housing is done.
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just out of curiousity.... what vehicle are you putting the spider 9's in?
not 100% sure yet. more than likely a commanche/buggy. but time will tell.

im running spider 300m shafts front and rear with bobby's ujoints.
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Split off posts to a new thread for more e-bickering.

Honestly, these threads are pretty good so far- keep it up.
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Moser package is $590 with an unknown spool.
The spool I got from Moser was branded as their own. Mine is a very nice piece.
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ok my buddy just bought a 99 tj with a 4 inch lift 4.0 and 33's. we are building it cheap. 1 tons,full cage, 39's and of course rollin on 20" dubs. we are building all the long arms and using heims that are on pirate for dirt cheap. just bought a set of used bling bling 20's for 500.00.axle hunting as we speak...i will see how cheap we do this one and report back.
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ok my buddy just bought a 99 tj with a 4 inch lift 4.0 and 33's. we are building it cheap. 1 tons,full cage, 39's and of course rollin on 20" dubs. we are building all the long arms and using heims that are on pirate for dirt cheap. just bought a set of used bling bling 20's for 500.00.axle hunting as we speak...i will see how cheap we do this one and report back.
This, or Nuzzy's post are somewhat of a different topic, though, more of bargain hunting.

Trust me, I always look for bargains, too, but there are also times you just go out and get what you want, when you want it because you have a timeline to meet, or don't feel like parting out a truck, etc.

I think the numbers Monkey has in the charts are a good market average and good for building a budget around.

Should toss up the numbers for a Toy front axle as well, stock housing and diamonds (I'd take a custom width diamond housing with taco diff over a built dana 44 anyway).
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