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Old December 11th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #41
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Not sure if they make a 37" anymore, it's not listed on their website or their add in the back of mags. Plus I haven't heard good things about Goodyear MT/R's in mud....and that is what the treadwright M/T looks like.
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Old December 13th, 2008, 08:39 AM   #42
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i love my stock tj on the borrowed 29'' tsls i used at the mounds, its so much fun to acutally work to get over an obstacle.

my tj will probably never see anything over a 35'' tire, its just more cost effective to build it smaller when your on a realy tight (read non-exisistant) budget
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Old December 15th, 2008, 10:17 AM   #43
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Not sure if they make a 37" anymore, it's not listed on their website or their add in the back of mags. Plus I haven't heard good things about Goodyear MT/R's in mud....and that is what the treadwright M/T looks like.
They did 3 months ago or so anyway... I got a $600 or so quote from them.

I just emailed them to find out what is up... I had planned on giving them a try unless I bought a used set of swampers or something.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:06 AM   #44
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Treadwright is having a hard time getting 37" carcasses and something happened with their 35" line and they wont be making them until further notice. I read that on their website about a month ago.

I started out back in 98 on 31x10.5's Mud Kings on a 94 Chevy 4.3 vortec bone stock except the half assed cherry bomb. Spent every chance I had at M61 truck trails in Gladwin and rubber hill area in Omer. I usually went by myself unless I met someone up there. Did wheel with some big dogs and they were always waiting with chains/straps in hand but I always pulled through unless I got hung up on my frame. I don't plan to take my 85 GMC bigger than 35's. Thought about it but I want the risk of maybe getting stuck and have to get in the mud n start digging myself out with my hands and a stick. lol I go out to get dirty not just fly through everything. It's all about the challenge for me anyway.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #45
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well I was in the 32-33 category with the stock 30/35. when we swapped in the sII d44s front and rear since they were all torn apart both front and rear were redone with cromo shafts with the thick aftermarket retainers in the rear etc.. I went with a 35" tire and like it. not sure if I would go to 37's but only time will tell.

I happen to like the setup I got yet take a crapload of heat because they are not 60's and full widths. one thing I do see in the mags is a lack of moderate trail rigs and soo much focus on one ton or greater axles to even be allowed on any trail. like if you have anything less than a 60 in will simply implode in the staging area or something.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 06:34 PM   #46
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Not sure if they make a 37" anymore, it's not listed on their website or their add in the back of mags. Plus I haven't heard good things about Goodyear MT/R's in mud....and that is what the treadwright M/T looks like.
It appears your correct... the official word from Treadwright

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Yes this size has been discontinued until further notice due to production problems. We may bring them back in late 2009 if we can acquire the right equipment.

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Old December 15th, 2008, 07:44 PM   #47
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Only real reason i have been going up in tire size, is because tire size is the only real ground clearance increase. All the lift in the world only gets the body/frames higher. But the ground to axle stays the same unless going to a larger tire.
I kinda did the same thing. I am swapping stock axles out of the XJ for a set of d44's and while looking for tires the plan was to just run what i needed to keep the same ground clearance at the pigs as i had while running 36's. So after shaving the axles i decided another set of 36's or 37's would be great but then like others i saw a good deal on 38's so i'm picking those up.


I wheeled on 235/75/15's open open for a couple years in high school because that is what i had and all my friends had. Next step was 32's on my toyotas because that is what fit with out a lift and i welded the rear and had a blast for a couple more years. Once the yotas were gone my dd had 31's and i did that a couple times again open open but soon turned the XJ into my rig. I managed to keep it on 33's locked rear for a year and then jumped to 36's for the last 2 years. open front for one of them.

I am glad i have wheeled on a variety of tires and set ups because i think it makes me a better spotter and i am able to help new and smaller rigs really push to the limits. I enjoy that a lot.

My only problem with running big tires is my local friends are still on 31"-34" tires. I have to plan bigger trips to meet up with other friends with big rigs. Also with size comes a lot more cost. Trailers and tow equipment are another thread
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Old December 16th, 2008, 06:49 AM   #48
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I kinda did the same thing. I am swapping stock axles out of the XJ for a set of d44's and while looking for tires the plan was to just run what i needed to keep the same ground clearance at the pigs as i had while running 36's. So after shaving the axles i decided another set of 36's or 37's would be great but then like others i saw a good deal on 38's so i'm picking those up.
save yourself the hassles now and just buy a 60 for the front.... a stock dana 44 isnt going to live doing any sort of challenging wheeling and by the time you polish up the turd you have just paid for a dana 60.

if you dont get the 60 you'll be kicking yourself in the ass in 2 years wishing you would have done a 60.....
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if you dont get the 60 you'll be kicking yourself in the ass in 2 years wishing you would have done a 60.....
Been there...
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Old December 16th, 2008, 10:25 AM   #51
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save yourself the hassles now and just buy a 60 for the front.... a stock dana 44 isnt going to live doing any sort of challenging wheeling and by the time you polish up the turd you have just paid for a dana 60.
I'm so tired of hearing this because it's not true for everyone.

I've crawled every trail at Flat Nasty and the Badlands with no front axle issues. This includes "All Day Sucker", "Trail 8", and "Sleepy Hallow" (up and down.) I've wheeled since 01 on stock Dana 30 and 44 shafts with maybe a half dozen broken u-joints and shafts, and 3 broken d44 hubs.

It's rare for me to not be able to tell when a situation has the high probability of breaking a front d44 or d30 part. So I avoided that situation, cringed though it, or pulled cable.

I had to start beating my rig on some of the most challenging trails in the south before I had issues with my 44 breaking or hindering my ability to wheel a trail. We are talking about Rattlerock, Railbed, etc... I started beating my rig instead of being nice to it. Using momentum and wheel speed instead of crawling and even on 36's that is the limit of a Dana 44 for me.

So if your going to run 36's or 37's, wheel on some of the hardest trails within 900 miles, and are stupid enough to not back off and pull cable; a Dana 44 is not for you, alloys or not. If your willing to back down on an obstacle, pull cable, and drive smart, save $2K and go with the 44.

Dana 60's are huge, heavy, and expensive. Everything in a d60 costs more... you can't even replace the outer bearings and seals for less than $125. They certainly aren't for everyone, but they are the only solution for some.

I still won't run a 60 center. The loss of ground clearance is not my cup of tea, and I'm not ready to step up to 40's to make up for it.
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I'm so tired of hearing this because it's not true for everyone.

I've crawled every trail at Flat Nasty and the Badlands with no front axle issues. This includes "All Day Sucker", "Trail 8", and "Sleepy Hallow" (up and down.) I've wheeled since 01 on stock Dana 30 and 44 shafts with maybe a half dozen broken u-joints and shafts, and 3 broken d44 hubs.

It's rare for me to not be able to tell when a situation has the high probability of breaking a front d44 or d30 part. So I avoided that situation, cringed though it, or pulled cable.

I had to start beating my rig on some of the most challenging trails in the south before I had issues with my 44 breaking or hindering my ability to wheel a trail. We are talking about Rattlerock, Railbed, etc... I started beating my rig instead of being nice to it. Using momentum and wheel speed instead of crawling and even on 36's that is the limit of a Dana 44 for me.

So if your going to run 36's or 37's, wheel on some of the hardest trails within 900 miles, and are stupid enough to not back off and pull cable; a Dana 44 is not for you, alloys or not. If your willing to back down on an obstacle, pull cable, and drive smart, save $2K and go with the 44.

Dana 60's are huge, heavy, and expensive. Everything in a d60 costs more... you can't even replace the outer bearings and seals for less than $125. They certainly aren't for everyone, but they are the only solution for some.

I still won't run a 60 center. The loss of ground clearance is not my cup of tea, and I'm not ready to step up to 40's to make up for it.
I predict you will have 35 spline shafts in one form or another as soon as you either get more than 150hp or get a true-to-it's size 37.

there are SOME people who can make a stock dana 44 live on larger than a 35" tire and actually wheel challenging trails. most people dont have a chance.

and while you like being able to rebuild your dana 44 cheaply I hate having to constantly replace and tighten ball joints, rebuild the wheel bearings every 6 months, worry about snapping a stub shaft and overall sub standard size for running a 37" tire on hard stuff.

too many people complain about ground clearance... get a set of good tires and you can put yourself just about anywhere you need to be to clear the diffs.


I'm not trying to argue with you and this topic has been covered hundreds of times.... I'm just pointing out the fact that he went to a 38 and has about 200hp.... if he plans on doing any serious wheeling a stock dana 44 isnt going to last one season... and once you polish it all up everything around the shafts starts to crap out on you and it becomes a needy PITA on every trip.

I went with spider hi-9's and I'm so glad I did... no more dana 44 crap, no dredding the weight of a 60 and I'll have great clearance still
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too many people complain about ground clearance... get a set of good tires and you can put yourself just about anywhere you need to be to clear the diffs.
I had a direct comparison between my rig and Kirby's rig in the fall on the same trails at Windrock. I had to re-learn how to drive and place the diffs in his rig. Some of this was because of the passenger drop I admit, but it was different. On the other hand his rig is bulletproof, and I was never worried about breaking it.

On the extreme of this comment Jer's clearance with portals means he can put his rig in the most ridiculous places ever.


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I went with spider hi-9's and I'm so glad I did... no more dana 44 crap, no dredding the weight of a 60 and I'll have great clearance still
I'm building an ARB'd 609 for the front and a 35 spline SF 9" for the rear. I'm way too old school to change over to unit bearings so no Spider stuff for me.
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Old December 16th, 2008, 10:55 AM   #54
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i have a overbuilt and overpaid 44 on 38's i could of had a stock 60 for the same price as my 44 but hindsight is 20/20
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i have a overbuilt and overpaid 44 on 38's i could of had a stock 60 for the same price as my 44 but hindsight is 20/20
It's not beating a daed horse, and I don't mean to pick on 95Geo because I think he is realistic with his recommendations based on people's rigs and ability.

I just don't think that there is no place in this world for a built Dana 44. There are people that would be better off with a 44 than a 60. Not every wheelers needs are so cut and dry. For every one of us that says "I broke a dana 44 every trip out" there are 10 people that have no issue with that axle under their rig.
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Bryce remeber when we went to paragon and i rode with TJrockcrawler? the 4 rigs that went were all on d44's in the 35"-37" tire range, we all had a blast and ran all but the "guide only trails" with no catostrophic failures..........until the last day when you tried to break your shit.

thats one of the reasons i chose to take a step back from the buggy and decided to build a full bodied, reliable, street legal, capable trail machine. i think its all preference, i know that i am going to be out of state maybe 1-2 times a year to wheel, so i think the d44's on 35's on my rig will be fine. if i dont make something i wont cry about it and say i need 60's and more power. if i ever finish my rig
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It's not beating a daed horse, and I don't mean to pick on 95Geo because I think he is realistic with his recommendations based on people's rigs and ability.

I just don't think that there is no place in this world for a built Dana 44. There are people that would be better off with a 44 than a 60. Not every wheelers needs are so cut and dry. For every one of us that says "I broke a dana 44 every trip out" there are 10 people that have no issue with that axle under their rig.
I think some of that comes from people jumping right into 60's, or a big rig. They get the built stuff and feel they can just hammer down. Some people don't know how to back off the skinny pedal when they should. They make up for lack of ability with skinny pedal (not referring to you 95geo, I have never seen you wheel)

I like driving with finesse rather then trying to hammer over obstacles. I think D44's are just fine too though (for me).
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some are axle shaft cursed and others have the "gift" for axle shaft survival. I am one of the cursed ones, but i wheel with several others that are "Gifted" lol
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I think D44's are just fine too though (for me).
Yup it is holding up the yj just fine

Sorry had to, paybacks


I think 37's were the new 35's last year, but more and more I see people going back from a big rig to a smaller setup (d44's and 35"ish)
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