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Old November 19th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #21
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no chains in michigan.



Like, on anything? Just trailers? Or are you just fucking with the MI newb...?
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Old November 19th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #22
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Like, on anything? Just trailers? Or are you just fucking with the MI newb...?
no chains. period
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Old November 20th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #23
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no chains in michigan.
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no chains. period

The MI State Police seem to disagree... I'm good and confused now

Excerpt from Michigan State Police website:

Question: Are tire chains legal in Michigan?

Answer: MCL 257.710 of the Michigan Vehicle Code covers the use of tire chains, and states that a person may "use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid." If used, the chain must not come in contact with the surface of the roadway.


And the MCL of the Michigan Vehicle Code:

Section 257.710

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.710 Tires; studs or other traction devices; rules; exceptions; use or sale of unsafe tires prohibited.
Sec. 710.

(a) A person shall not operate on a public highway of this state a vehicle or special mobile equipment which has metal or plastic track or a tire which is equipped with metal that comes in contact with the surface of the road or which has a partial contact of metal or plastic with the surface of the road, except as provided in subsections (c), (d), and (e).

(b) A person shall not operate on a highway a vehicle which has a tire that has on its periphery a block, stud, flange, cleat, spike, or other protuberance of a material other than rubber which projects beyond the tread of the traction surface of the tire, except as provided in subsections (c), (d), and (e). A person may, however, use farm machinery with a tire having a protuberance which will not injure a highway. A person may also use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid.

(c) A person may operate on a highway a vehicle which has a pneumatic tire in which wire of .075 inches in diameter or less is embedded if the tire is constructed so that the percent of metal in contact with the highway does not exceed 5% of the total tire area in contact with the roadway, except that during the first 1,000 miles of use or operation of the tire the metal in contact with the highway shall not exceed 20% of the area.

(d) The department of state highways and transportation shall promulgate rules establishing acceptable standards to permit the use of a tire with studs or other traction devices to be used on a street or highway after April 1, 1975. The rules shall make separate provision for the extreme winter snow and ice conditions of the Upper Peninsula and the northern Lower Peninsula. The rules shall include a restriction on the amount and dimension of protrusions that may be allowed on a tire, the type of material that may be used in a stud, traction device, or tire, and the amount of road wear that a tire with studs or other traction devices may cause on a street or highway.

(e) A person may operate on a highway a vehicle which has a pneumatic tire in which are inserted ice grips or tire studs if the person is a law enforcement officer operating a vehicle owned by a law enforcement agency, a person operating an ambulance, or a United States postal service rural carrier driving a vehicle the rural carrier owns and maintains as a prerequisite to employment in the postal service.

(f) A person shall not operate a vehicle on a highway when a tire in use on that vehicle is unsafe as provided in subsection (h).

(g) A person in the business of selling tires shall not sell or offer for sale for highway use a tire which is unsafe as provided in subsection (h).

(h) A tire is unsafe if it is in any of the following conditions:

(i) Has a part of the belting material, tire cords, or plys exposed.

(ii) Has evidence of cord or tread separations.

(iii) Is worn to or below the minimum tread level in 2 or more adjacent major grooves at 3 or more locations spaced around the circumference of the tire. Minimum allowable tread levels are as follows:

motorcycles and moped.....................1/32 inch front and rear
passenger cars and vehicles
weighing less than 10,000
pounds.................................2/32 inch front and rear
vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds
or more...........................4/32 inch front and 2/32 rear
Measurements shall not be made at locations of tread wear indicators or tie bars. A motor vehicle licensed as an historic vehicle under section 803a is exempt from the tread depth requirements of this subsection.

(iv) Has a marking "not for highway use", "for racing purposes only", "for farm use only", or "unsafe for highway use".

(v) Has been regrooved or recut below the original tread design depth except in the case of special purpose designed tires having extra undertread rubber provided for this purpose and identified as those tires.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 07:20 AM   #24
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Interesting stuff... I thought that they were completely illegal too, with the exception of the State Police.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #25
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I think it boils down to you can't ever allow your chain/stud to contact the road surface. How do you control that? Get out in a foot or 2 of snow and dig down, it's likely you will contact the road surface at some point.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 08:14 AM   #26
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You just take your chains off the vehicle when the roadways are clear and you can see the surface of the road. We have used them for years on our firetrucks, we used to put them on in the winter then take them off in the spring. Now we have pneumatic chains that drop down to the tires with a flip of a switch.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #27
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I might be reading these wrong, but this would be my interpretation

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(c) A person may operate on a highway a vehicle which has a pneumatic tire in which wire of .075 inches in diameter or less is embedded if the tire is constructed so that the percent of metal in contact with the highway does not exceed 5% of the total tire area in contact with the roadway, except that during the first 1,000 miles of use or operation of the tire the metal in contact with the highway shall not exceed 20% of the area.
.075" is not a chain... thats a small piece of wire

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(d) The department of state highways and transportation shall promulgate rules establishing acceptable standards to permit the use of a tire with studs or other traction devices to be used on a street or highway after April 1, 1975. The rules shall make separate provision for the extreme winter snow and ice conditions of the Upper Peninsula and the northern Lower Peninsula. The rules shall include a restriction on the amount and dimension of protrusions that may be allowed on a tire, the type of material that may be used in a stud, traction device, or tire, and the amount of road wear that a tire with studs or other traction devices may cause on a street or highway.
This one is odd
I believe this simply means that at any point in time, the state police can declair an "extreme situation" where chains would be acceptable, usually following an usual amount of snowfall. The only time I can think of this happening to me personally was in 2001 when I was living in Flint. We got about 2 feet of snow in about 18 hours. The city was shut-down and declaired a "state of emergency" by the governor in order to get help from the state to clear the snow. During that time, people could also legally drive snowmobiles on the roads.

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(e) A person may operate on a highway a vehicle which has a pneumatic tire in which are inserted ice grips or tire studs if the person is a law enforcement officer operating a vehicle owned by a law enforcement agency, a person operating an ambulance, or a United States postal service rural carrier driving a vehicle the rural carrier owns and maintains as a prerequisite to employment in the postal service.
we are none of those
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:54 AM   #28
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I might be reading these wrong, but this would be my interpretation


.075" is not a chain... thats a small piece of wire


This one is odd
I believe this simply means that at any point in time, the state police can declair an "extreme situation" where chains would be acceptable, usually following an usual amount of snowfall. The only time I can think of this happening to me personally was in 2001 when I was living in Flint. We got about 2 feet of snow in about 18 hours. The city was shut-down and declaired a "state of emergency" by the governor in order to get help from the state to clear the snow. During that time, people could also legally drive snowmobiles on the roads.



we are none of those


Well I hear what you're saying in these scenarios, and I had some of the same thoughts. Some of verbiage does say though exceptions are granted under different lines of the MCL... (highlighted in yellow)


I guess what really throws me is the excerpt from the MI State Police site in the direct question and answer section:

The question asked by a state resident to the MSP:

Question: Are tire chains legal in Michigan?



The answer given by the MSP and posted for all to see:

Answer: MCL 257.710 of the Michigan Vehicle Code covers the use of tire chains, and states that a person may "use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid." If used, the chain must not come in contact with the surface of the roadway.




**Without wading through and reading into the exact wording of the MCL, this would appear to be the MSP's layman's terms understanding of the law as stated on their website. Hmmmmmm...
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Old November 20th, 2008, 11:05 AM   #29
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I have a call in to Lance Cook with the MSP who handles the area of transportation that would cover chains. When/if he calls back, I'll post his answer.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #30
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(c) A person may operate on a highway a vehicle which has a pneumatic tire in which wire of .075 inches in diameter or less is embedded if the tire is constructed so that the percent of metal in contact with the highway does not exceed 5% of the total tire area in contact with the roadway, except that during the first 1,000 miles of use or operation of the tire the metal in contact with the highway shall not exceed 20% of the area.
I read this as studded tires.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 11:30 AM   #31
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I have a call in to Lance Cook with the MSP who handles the area of transportation that would cover chains. When/if he calls back, I'll post his answer.
Want his direct number or e-mail?



On second thought, better not.......he'd put a bullet in me
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Old November 20th, 2008, 01:11 PM   #32
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Want his direct number or e-mail?



On second thought, better not.......he'd put a bullet in me



Haven't heard back and his message said he'd only be in the office til 2 today, but I'm sure he's busy. I'll try him later tomorrow or after the weekend if I haven't heard anything by then. No biggie, just my own curiosity.
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No I wasn't trying to fawk with the michigan newbie. I've always been under the impression that chains were illegal in michigan. I will say they are surely not as popular as out west, in fact I really have never seen anyone use them other then people with tractors plowing their driveways. The law does seem to leave a bit of interpretation, no surprise considering its a Michigan law.
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Old December 2nd, 2008, 07:32 AM   #34
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I towed my junk home on Saturday and missed all the crappy roads... still interested in possibly getting some chains for the trailer though.
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Old December 2nd, 2008, 07:47 AM   #35
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I have never scene chains on a snowmobile trailer. The only worries I would have towing a nice rig in the winter is salt on the said rig.

no big deal
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Old December 3rd, 2008, 07:50 AM   #36
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I have never scene chains on a snowmobile trailer. The only worries I would have towing a nice rig in the winter is salt on the said rig.

no big deal
Neither have I. I have however seen more than one pickup truck along with the snowmobile trailer/toy hauler in the ditch on snowy trips north and back, mostly between Clare and Mackinaw. Most recent one was on my trip home from the U.P. after opening weekend of firearm deer season. I would probably pull off the highway in those conditions anyway if I were pulling my Jeep, but chains might be a good alternative to spending the night in a motel if it is borderline... I don't know, but I think it's worth looking into.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #37
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chains?

Reviving this thread from the dead - I came in here looking for any info I may have posted (like pics) on my STOLEN TRAILER... but did we ever hear back from the MSP on the tire chain question?

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Old November 6th, 2013, 05:38 PM   #38
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I can't imagine why you would want to. Never gone anywhere in the UP where I would need chains, even seasonal roads. 4wd yes, but never chains.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #39
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If any body wants tire cables (the civilized version of chains), I have 4 brand new in box, and 4 slightly used. Semi truck tire sized. Cheeep.
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