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Old November 12th, 2008, 07:22 AM   #41
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I dunno, after seeing pictures like Roktoy's and Arcticcat843's I'm less inclined to believe you.
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I dunno, after seeing pictures like Roktoy's and Arcticcat843's I'm less inclined to believe you.
Wait, so a picture of a truck hooked up to a trailer with a rig attached to it shows how well it tows??

Hold on, I am going to run out and put my Dodge on the trailer hooked up to my samurai.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 07:40 AM   #43
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I heard someone in this thread was looking for a H1 tow rig

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I dunno, after seeing pictures like Roktoy's and Arcticcat843's I'm less inclined to believe you.
Yeah, because static pictures really tell you how the vehicle will behave when its moving, right? Look at that picture again. The XJ isn't that far forward and the trailer is barely level. See how much the truck is squatting already? You said you weren't going to buy immediately, so see if you can tag along with someone towing with a half-ton and someone towing with something bigger and drive them both.

One of the other problems with this thread is that you started out soliciting testimony from people who have owned the vehicle class you are interested in buying. While that's fine by itself for a good amount of asthetic characteristics and some other functional things, that's not really what you want since that's all that most of those people have ever owned. You want to hear from the people who have owned both the half-ton and the heavier trucks. Yes, I have owned both - I had a 97 Ram 1500 that I towed with and traded it in on my current Ram after only a year when I realized it was a mistake.

Look at what those people who have the experience of having been on both sides are posting. The half-ton owners are all saying "Yes, you can get by", but do you really want to just "get by"? The people who have owned heavier vehicles agree that you will "get by" (myself included), but they are recommending vehicles better suited to the job and I don't see the point with burdening yourself with having to sell off a truck in the future when its hard enough to do that now. When Obama f's up our taxes even further, people will tighten their belts even more and half-ton gassers will become even more unpopular. I think you'd be pretty happy with the comfort and capability of the diesels similar to what Immortal and Stalker_Built bought recently.

I understand Jesus 's point since we both own the same vehicle - I don't know that I would recommend it as a tow rig to anyone. Perhaps if he had a CTD, he would be less soured about the big trucks, because the V10's mileage really does suck regardless of how consistent it is. Although the V10 still does everything I need it to, I would have bought a 3500 CTD (pretty much the truck that Bio is selling) when writing out my order had I known then what I know now. Yes, recent half-tons have more power than they used to, but the peaks are still not equal, the power is still not as high through the useable ranges in the power curves as the diesels, the gassers are more costly to pump up, and you net smaller gains.
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Yeah, because static pictures really tell you how the vehicle will behave when its moving, right? Look at that picture again. The XJ isn't that far forward and the trailer is barely level. See how much the truck is squatting already? You said you weren't going to buy immediately, so see if you can tag along with someone towing with a half-ton and someone towing with something bigger and drive them both.

One of the other problems with this thread is that you started out soliciting testimony from people who have owned the vehicle class you are interested in buying. While that's fine by itself for a good amount of asthetic characteristics and some other functional things, that's not really what you want since that's all that most of those people have ever owned. You want to hear from the people who have owned both the half-ton and the heavier trucks. Yes, I have owned both - I had a 97 Ram 1500 that I towed with and traded it in on my current Ram after only a year when I realized it was a mistake.

Look at what those people who have the experience of having been on both sides are posting. The half-ton owners are all saying "Yes, you can get by", but do you really want to just "get by"? The people who have owned heavier vehicles agree that you will "get by" (myself included), but they are recommending vehicles better suited to the job and I don't see the point with burdening yourself with having to sell off a truck in the future when its hard enough to do that now. When Obama f's up our taxes even further, people will tighten their belts even more and half-ton gassers will become even more unpopular. I think you'd be pretty happy with the comfort and capability of the diesels similar to what Immortal and Stalker_Built bought recently.

I understand Jesus 's point since we both own the same vehicle - I don't know that I would recommend it as a tow rig to anyone. Perhaps if he had a CTD, he would be less soured about the big trucks, because the V10's mileage really does suck regardless of how consistent it is. Although the V10 still does everything I need it to, I would have bought a 3500 CTD (pretty much the truck that Bio is selling) when writing out my order had I known then what I know now. Yes, recent half-tons have more power than they used to, but the peaks are still not equal, the power is still not as high through the useable ranges in the power curves as the diesels, the gassers are more costly to pump up, and you net smaller gains.
have not now, nor ever stalked. If you wanna wait, go for the 1/2 diesels that are comming out in a year or 2. Then you can give the to everyone.
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Yeah, because static pictures really tell you how the vehicle will behave when its moving, right? Look at that picture again. The XJ isn't that far forward and the trailer is barely level. See how much the truck is squatting already? You said you weren't going to buy immediately, so see if you can tag along with someone towing with a half-ton and someone towing with something bigger and drive them both.

I have driven both half ton and larger towing comparable weights on both trailers and tow dollies in mixed traffic. I know I don't need anything more than what I'm asking for because of this judgement. I have friends that tow their buggies behind half tons that upgraded from Tacoma's, they're pulling about as much as I plan to and also made their own judgement call to buy a half ton.

One of the other problems with this thread is that you started out soliciting testimony from people who have owned the vehicle class you are interested in buying. While that's fine by itself for a good amount of asthetic characteristics and some other functional things, that's not really what you want since that's all that most of those people have ever owned. You want to hear from the people who have owned both the half-ton and the heavier trucks. Yes, I have owned both - I had a 97 Ram 1500 that I towed with and traded it in on my current Ram after only a year when I realized it was a mistake.

No, I don't. I've already done some research and have found what class of truck I want. I'm just haggling over brand. Personally I'm thinkng Toyota.

Look at what those people who have the experience of having been on both sides are posting. The half-ton owners are all saying "Yes, you can get by", but do you really want to just "get by"? The people who have owned heavier vehicles agree that you will "get by" (myself included), but they are recommending vehicles better suited to the job and I don't see the point with burdening yourself with having to sell off a truck in the future when its hard enough to do that now. When Obama f's up our taxes even further, people will tighten their belts even more and half-ton gassers will become even more unpopular. I think you'd be pretty happy with the comfort and capability of the diesels similar to what Immortal and Stalker_Built bought recently.


I understand Jesus 's point since we both own the same vehicle - I don't know that I would recommend it as a tow rig to anyone. Perhaps if he had a CTD, he would be less soured about the big trucks, because the V10's mileage really does suck regardless of how consistent it is. Although the V10 still does everything I need it to, I would have bought a 3500 CTD (pretty much the truck that Bio is selling) when writing out my order had I known then what I know now. Yes, recent half-tons have more power than they used to, but the peaks are still not equal, the power is still not as high through the useable ranges in the power curves as the diesels, the gassers are more costly to pump up, and you net smaller gains.
So now that I've narrowed it down to brand. Anyone know where I can get a used Toyota 3/4 ton like PP suggested?
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So now that I've narrowed it down to brand. Anyone know where I can get a used Toyota 3/4 ton like PP suggested?
lol he said Toyota 3/4 ton....
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So now that I've narrowed it down to brand. Anyone know where I can get a used Toyota 3/4 ton like PP suggested?
Sure, just ask Greasemonkey. He watches all the problem/recall news on those. I'm sure he can point you towards a great deal.
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lol he said Toyota 3/4 ton....
I was wondering who was going to notice that. I've given up on this thread. I've had my opinion made up for a bit now and right now its doing a little bit more research and a test drive in there somewhere.

Its just... well its just so much fun to rile up PP about my poor choice I just got to keep going. Greasemonkey, what's the recall rate on 3/4 ton Toyota's?
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I think pretty much everybody that actually looks in the Tow Rig Forum will notice that. It made me chuckle also, but the what makes me chuckle more is what the people think who will begin reading this thread and then stop somewhere along the way since you want to buy a car with a receiver.
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Yeah, because static pictures really tell you how the vehicle will behave when its moving, right? Look at that picture again. The XJ isn't that far forward and the trailer is barely level. See how much the truck is squatting already? You said you weren't going to buy immediately, so see if you can tag along with someone towing with a half-ton and someone towing with something bigger and drive them both.

One of the other problems with this thread is that you started out soliciting testimony from people who have owned the vehicle class you are interested in buying. While that's fine by itself for a good amount of asthetic characteristics and some other functional things, that's not really what you want since that's all that most of those people have ever owned. You want to hear from the people who have owned both the half-ton and the heavier trucks. Yes, I have owned both - I had a 97 Ram 1500 that I towed with and traded it in on my current Ram after only a year when I realized it was a mistake.

Look at what those people who have the experience of having been on both sides are posting. The half-ton owners are all saying "Yes, you can get by", but do you really want to just "get by"? The people who have owned heavier vehicles agree that you will "get by" (myself included), but they are recommending vehicles better suited to the job and I don't see the point with burdening yourself with having to sell off a truck in the future when its hard enough to do that now. When Obama f's up our taxes even further, people will tighten their belts even more and half-ton gassers will become even more unpopular. I think you'd be pretty happy with the comfort and capability of the diesels similar to what Immortal and Stalker_Built bought recently.

I understand Jesus 's point since we both own the same vehicle - I don't know that I would recommend it as a tow rig to anyone. Perhaps if he had a CTD, he would be less soured about the big trucks, because the V10's mileage really does suck regardless of how consistent it is. Although the V10 still does everything I need it to, I would have bought a 3500 CTD (pretty much the truck that Bio is selling) when writing out my order had I known then what I know now. Yes, recent half-tons have more power than they used to, but the peaks are still not equal, the power is still not as high through the useable ranges in the power curves as the diesels, the gassers are more costly to pump up, and you net smaller gains.
Not to get in the middle of this but 1) the truck is hardly squatting at all, and 2)the reason it is back so far is that trailer was jacked up....You cant tell so much by the pics but it was a homemade trailer and the axles were WAY to far back....That was the first time i towed it and i didnt really know what i was doing....could have been the wrong hitch or something too, i dont remember, accually, To prove how much we didnt know at the time, we loaded the jeep offcenter on the way home and blew a tire lol....Since then i have towed it to haspin acres, silver lake, Twisted trails and the badland on a different trailer (tpthrilljoes) and it tows pretty good. If you get the toung weight right you would be surprised how well it tows....and it is far under the max rating for the truck...

keep in mind im not just saying this to get the OP to buy it (even though that would be great lol) I told him if he was buying JUST a tow rig this was not the truck he wanted....But if he wasnt a nice, comfortable DD that he can tow his jeep with once and a while it is great....

Oh and i would be more than happy to load up my jeep for him and let him take it for a spin...(if joe is willing to let me barrow his trailer)

here is it on joes trailer, much better than that messed up POS in the above pic....

Ok, i guess i dont have any good pics of it but you get the idea


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Oh and it tows 3 quads like they arent even there


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Not to get in the middle of this but 1) the truck is hardly squatting at all, and 2)the reason it is back so far is that trailer was jacked up....You cant tell so much by the pics but it was a homemade trailer and the axles were WAY to far back....That was the first time i towed it and i didnt really know what i was doing....could have been the wrong hitch or something too, i dont remember, accually, To prove how much we didnt know at the time, we loaded the jeep offcenter on the way home and blew a tire lol....Since then i have towed it to haspin acres, silver lake, Twisted trails and the badland on a different trailer (tpthrilljoes) and it tows pretty good. If you get the toung weight right you would be surprised how well it tows....and it is far under the max rating for the truck...

keep in mind im not just saying this to get the OP to buy it (even though that would be great lol) I told him if he was buying JUST a tow rig this was not the truck he wanted....But if he wasnt a nice, comfortable DD that he can tow his jeep with once and a while it is great....

Oh and i would be more than happy to load up my jeep for him and let him take it for a spin...(if joe is willing to let me barrow his trailer)

here is it on joes trailer, much better than that messed up POS in the above pic....

Ok, i guess i dont have any good pics of it but you get the idea


Which is what I was Actually asking about instead of PP's Diesel Diesel Diesel posts. I'm pulling recreationally, not commercially. Like I said before, I'll keep in touch.
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Dude that's way too much truck, you need a car with a hitch.
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Let's see, I've been towing trailers almost on a daily basis since I was 16, up until recently of course.

I towed with ALL half ton trucks when I was mowing lawns including one entire summer with an F-1Shitty towing 3 riders on a landscape trailer, with a bed loaded with hand tools, 3 weedwackers, 3 blowers, etc.

My halfton truck towed my jeep FINE at 85 mph +. I towed my jeep a total of 20-25 times in the last year. I bet combined with my trailer the whole shebang was 6000-6500 pounds.

My boat, fully loaded on the trailer I estimate at 4,000-5,000 lbs. I tow it at 85-90 mph on the freeway, I've towed it to the point the truck shuts down (right around 100). I weave in and out of traffic like an asshole, I accelerate from stop lights with my foot on the floor damn near, and I wait until the last second to hit the brakes and signal.

I do not have trailer brakes on either of the trailers discussed above, I never had a situation where I had excessive sway on the truck or the trailer because of my suspension that was designed for comfort. I never had a problem braking, I never had a problem accelerating.

A diesel 3/4 ton is NICE there is no doubt about it. But a diesel 3/4 ton is NOT necessary.

I've towed with 1 ton diesels, 1 ton gassers, etc.

Perfect example, hoser's 2500 HD with 8.1 GAS monster towing my boat, it towed the boat FASTER then my half ton, but stopped no better and rode like a hay wagon.

If you are not towing every day, and you are not towing more then 7500 lbs you do not need a diesel, plain and simple.
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Ohhhnoooozzzzz




Look how much my F350 is squating!! Just think if it was a half ton!!!






If you don't need the diesel aspect and your just towing a jeep then there is absolutly no reason to anything bigger then a half-ton. I went with the diesel because of the mountains down here. Had I continued to live up in the flat land of MI then then I would have stuck with a half-ton.


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Let's see, I've been towing trailers almost on a daily basis since I was 16, up until recently of course.

I towed with ALL half ton trucks when I was mowing lawns including one entire summer with an F-1Shitty towing 3 riders on a landscape trailer, with a bed loaded with hand tools, 3 weedwackers, 3 blowers, etc.

My halfton truck towed my jeep FINE at 85 mph +. I towed my jeep a total of 20-25 times in the last year. I bet combined with my trailer the whole shebang was 6000-6500 pounds.

My boat, fully loaded on the trailer I estimate at 4,000-5,000 lbs. I tow it at 85-90 mph on the freeway, I've towed it to the point the truck shuts down (right around 100). I weave in and out of traffic like an asshole, I accelerate from stop lights with my foot on the floor damn near, and I wait until the last second to hit the brakes and signal.

I do not have trailer brakes on either of the trailers discussed above, I never had a situation where I had excessive sway on the truck or the trailer because of my suspension that was designed for comfort. I never had a problem braking, I never had a problem accelerating.

A diesel 3/4 ton is NICE there is no doubt about it. But a diesel 3/4 ton is NOT necessary.

I've towed with 1 ton diesels, 1 ton gassers, etc.

Perfect example, hoser's 2500 HD with 8.1 GAS monster towing my boat, it towed the boat FASTER then my half ton, but stopped no better and rode like a hay wagon.

If you are not towing every day, and you are not towing more then 7500 lbs you do not need a diesel, plain and simple.
sounds like you drive like me lol

Oh and the only thing i would add to my truck no matter what is a brake controler, i dont have one...I have towed the jeep alot without one but it would be nice (and safer) but as long as you remember it takes a while to slow down then your ok....

My next truck will be a 1 ton dually CTD or D-max...Only because i want to be able to hual my dads gooseneck with 2 jeeps on it...And maybe get a 3 place someday....
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you think thats too much? Hers another shot of my trailer and quads but with my truck.

and my jeep on the my trailer.


we dont drive it much other then towing, long road trips, and hunting. im very happy with it for what we use it for.
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Why so quiet now? What did you get?

I think you need a Kodiak 4500, no doubt
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