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Old November 10th, 2008, 03:02 AM   #1
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Well, I've never posted any of my upgrades before, but a few others have asked me to share my experience with this one. So here it goes... so far.

97 TJ bought quite a few years ago with 80 something thou on it. It had 31's and a 2" BB. I've done alot of mild upgrades over time from the original form. Currently has 35"s, 4" short arm lift with all adjustable control arms, 1 ton steering, RE heavy track bars, anti-rock, cat back, header, 8.8 and HP 44 w/ high steer waiting to go in it. yada yada. K, not really, it's all slowly disappearing as I sell it off for the next stages.


Well, it's always a never ending project because it's never good enough. So... now it has no drivetrain in it.

Current future plans:

- 97 318 magnum from a Dodge ram (temporary).
- 97 360 to rebuild properly ( maybe 408 stroker).
- 97 Dodge dakota 5-speed NV3500 ( temporary untill 360 is done, then nv4500)
- rebuilt stock 321J with a HD chain kit, 6 pinion 241 planet and JE SS SYE. (maybe stak in future)
- Dana 60's maybe update 11/17/08: (Got them)
- TNT long arm kit with dual tri rear. Update: nope, going custom home made
- 38"s maybe (probably 40's now) update: 39"s or 42"s (Looking for some for 16.5" wheel)
- cage eventually
- some stretch maybe, not sure what yet. Update: now for sure. Still not sure how much.
H1 8 bolts, recentered, fully functional: Got them! Getting rock rings and trimming down the mag inserts.
Debating on putting fuel cell in back of tub or recessing it? Maybe just getting a koz or ???





First is the v8 install. Been researching and collecting parts for this for awhile.

Some sites for reference off the top of my head for those interested in doing this.

http://atomic4x4.com/content/view/13/
http://backwoodsoffroad.com/cgi-bin/...cle_id=2&sub=2
http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticl...wap/index.html
http://www.burnsvilleoffroad.com/articles/01_01.aspx
http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=277042
http://www.dodgedakotas.com/boards/v8/9981.html
http://advanceadapters.com/product/2287/713094.html
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge...mall_block.htm
http://www.hughesengines.com/partDet...p?partID=11900
http://www.krcperformance.com/krc/in...tpage&Itemid=1
http://www.mopar1.us/sort.html
http://www.campbellenterprises.com/dodgeram.htm
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516615
http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=277043
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums....php?p=8372128
http://www.standardflywheels.com/index.html


K, that's enough for now. I'm sure you can Google around for more info if needed.


Anyway, my jeep is currently gutted of it's drivetrain and has the Advanced Adapters magnum motor mounts burned in as of Sunday. Freshly painted and ready for the new powerplant.

Here is some pics.

first upgraded stage, 33"s and 2"bb:




current form, 35"s and 4" short arm.



Now in progress:










This is a super hard part to find. Chrysler stopped making them, dealers don't stock them and junk yards don't keep them around. Good luck if you have to find one.

More pics later. That's all I have on hand right now.

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and I thought I was the only guy with a Mopar engine in his jeep.

Be sure to buy a nice radiator and keep the manifolds if you can.... or if going with headers do the ceramic coated ones.

Looks good so far!
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and I thought I was the only guy with a Mopar engine in his jeep.

Be sure to buy a nice radiator and keep the manifolds if you can.... or if going with headers do the ceramic coated ones.

Looks good so far!
Got the three core brass from A.A.
I hope that's going to be enough.

Keeping the manifolds for now.

Thank you!

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K, just waiting on the stupid 318 flywheel and computer. I had already bought a 360 computer and flywheel for the 318 when I still thought it was a 360. But, because it's a 318 I had to get different ones as they are motor size specific. The 360 is externally balanced from the factory by the flywheel and harmonic balancer. The 318 is balanced at the crank. So you can NOT mix the flywheels, or harmonic balancers. Also the computer is obviously different. It has different fuel rates and pulses I believe as the motors have different strokes and bores between the two.

Well, as soon as they get here I will bolt it in. But, I still have to fab up some kind of adapter plate for the cross member as the new setup will sit 2" further forward as compared to the stock setup. I will use a TJ poly trans mount and stock plate with some kind of extension, or reposition the mounting point from the skid plate forward if possible.

Also, still have to rebuild the t-case when the HD chain kit gets here and I can afford a SYE. Then add the AA tcase shifter bracket to eliminate the body mount point ( also affected by the 2" forward positioning).

I also need to either re drill the clocking pattern on the back of the trans or just buy a clocking ring. This is to get the t-case back to the stock TJ clocking degree. The dodge dakota t-case is clocked lower. I may go with the clocking ring just for the spacing, plus then I don't have to bother re-drilling. This will make up for some of the 2" forward positioning of the front driveshaft and maybe allow me to reuse my current one without any modification due to the new length differences. My current front axle is also set 1" further forward due to all adjustable arms. So, I might just be ok there. If I have to position my front axle forward another 5/8 th's than so be it.

As for the rear shaft, I'm not worried as I will be getting a new cv shaft anyways!

All in due time.
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more pics motor mounts burned in and painted. 360 block as well.





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Ok, I have no experiance with the 318/360s. I've thought about doing a 5.3 Chevy swap in my TJ.

Does the mopar engines have any advantages over the Chevys?

I'm thinking the Chevy because they are relatively cheap, light weight, and the kinks have been worked out of the TJ swap.
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Ok, I have no experiance with the 318/360s. I've thought about doing a 5.3 Chevy swap in my TJ.

Does the mopar engines have any advantages over the Chevys?

I'm thinking the Chevy because they are relatively cheap, light weight, and the kinks have been worked out of the TJ swap.
Well, alot of people do the chevy swap. I felt like sticking with mopar. I can reuse my t-case, don't need any special adapters, I can reuse the factory gauges, the magnums have decent torque numbers, ah hell just to do something relatively different. Yes there are many mopar swaps... from LA's to magnums, to hemi's, but a 318 or 360 is pretty cheap and easy to install. Fuel lines plug right in, power steering screws right in, mechanical fan is cheap and works with factory jeep radiator shroud, computer communicates to the factory jeep systems as if it was stock, don't need and headers or whatnot to fit and because I just happened to pick up a magnum block with all accessories, computer and wiring for a reasonable price. I also got a tranny for a reasonable price. So, I just decided to go for it.

I was contemplating the 5.3 as well. It's a great motor. Most are pretty ballsy. I have driven alot of 5.3s and 4.8s in the trucks at the city I work for. But honestly it seemed that they were so different between each other as a whole. I don't know, seemed some ran good, some ok, some all over the place. Almost annoying really. But to each there own.

I just thought a 5.9 wrangler sounded cool. The magnums have their problems as well. But, like I said I like some of the simplicity of the install, the magnum torque numbers, and just to stay mopar.

Good luck which ever direction you go.
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I like saying I have a Mopar when people ask , "Hey man is that a chevy 350?" I look down at my feet and shake my head in disgust. Nothing wrong with the chevy but its just every v8 wrangler has them. Advantage to them is the TBI setup, but I have that on my 360la I put together myself.

I re-searched and saw that Mopars produce the most heat while chevy's produce the least. So cooling is more of a major factor on the Mopar.

If you plan on building the engine, chevy is A LOT cheaper to do.

I guess if i were to do it all over again I would go with a 351W or do a LS1...but not a 350.
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Granted, doing something different is always cool.

However, doing some for cheap is cool too. lol.

Part of me would like to do something besides a Chevy but it seems to be the cheapest way to go. If money was no object I'd build a real nice stroker, but a 5.3 can be had complete for under a grand. It's lighter than the 4.0, and decent power. My biggest concern in the low rpm torque. I love my 4.0 for that. I just don't think the 5.3 will lug like the 4.0 does.
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When i rebuilt my 360 la (pre magnum) I wanted a cam that had a great torque curve and something that gave me great HP. Well I found it!! Torque is nice and low.

One trip at silver lake last year I was running up the hills in 4-hi locked in first. Would just putz up very steadily slow, and my cousin was following me in her dads jeep. 4.0l , locked, 4:1 t-case, and she said she couldn't go that slow otherwise she would not have enough power to continue up the hill.

So with the rite components you can build a v8 to perform with good HP and Torque curves.
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Ok, got the one tons. Still waiting on the damn flywheel.

So, now I need to figure out how I want to set them up and wait till I can afford to build them up. May use the stockers and current tires till I can manage the expense to get those big boys done up right.

Plus I still need tires, wheels and all the suspension crap. Hmmm, it's still gonna be awhile. That's shits not cheap.

Well, at least I can get the drive train in and running for now.

What am I getting myself into?




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and I thought I was the only guy with a Mopar engine in his jeep.

Be sure to buy a nice radiator and keep the manifolds if you can.... or if going with headers do the ceramic coated ones.

Looks good so far!
Ended up getting a set of doug thorley tri y's mid length fully ceramic in and out with ceramic y pipe! should be good now.

Also got the alum chevy conversion radiator from advanced adapters and returned the brass back to them. Hoping these will all keep the motor plenty cool!
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So, anyways, I know it's been a long time since any sort of updates. Well I have mainly just been selling off old parts and collecting new. I have spent countless hours researching on the build . Not much actual work on the jeep. But there is a pic in my profile of it on the 39's and h1's lol. So all I have really done is strip everything out and off of it and put the motor and tranny in along with placing the axles and tires. I love two piece wheels, they make mounting tires sooo easy! Well they were still a biatch to get the beads to seal, but easy to mount lol. Nothing a couple rachet straps wont take care of. I didn't mount them with the mag inserts yet as I still have to cut them down. I just wanted to roll the axles around and get a general placement to set it all up.

I did change my mind on the rear axle and decided to use a 67 dodge motorhome rear 60HD that has the dana 70 spindles and hubs so I can use the 1.5" 35 spline shafts and narrow the wms 2". Should be beefy enough I hope

Going to shorten the front 86 hp 60 2.12" by using a 79 ford 60 long side shaft to match the rear wms better. The new combo will equate to 66.88" font/ 65" rear wms to wms.

The h1's I have are recentered to I think 3.5" backspacing. The tires are 39.5 x15 x16.5 tls. Should make for a nice width all together! Not too wide, not too short... just right lol. I am stretching the front around 4" or so. The rear is going to be between 5 and 7". Not sure where it will end up at for sure untill I get the links all set up. I have made the decision to keep the corners full stretch style and NOT comp cut for a cleaner look. This will still keep the tires far back enough to give a nice departure angle but look clean. I also want to set everything up for the abilities to mount 42"s easily once my 39"s are worn out.

The motor and trans have been in for some time now. I am going to run a 14" round, top mount air cleaner (carb style). The problem is that even with a 2" body lift the cleaner sits right up against the hood cross braceing. So, I will either try to find one that sits lower or just cut a big hole in the hood and put on a cowl type hood scoop.

I am also going to try to keep the skid flush as possible to the frame. It's a debate as to either running flush of bringing down the body lift an inch as I don't really like the 2". But the headers I have also require the 2" if I remember correctly to clear under the fire wall. I don't really want to hack into the firewall, but we'll see.

As for a t-case, if money permits I want to do a stak 3 speed mini monster with the 1.1, 2.15, 3.78 ratio. Then it offers the ability to match up a 2.72 doubler with a 321 box for rocks or klune-v. The ratios would then be, 1.1, 2.15, 2.72, 3.78, 5.84, 10.28. Awesome!!!! But do I really need all that? prob not but it would still be awesome to have all those options on hand so why not. So I am saving for the stak currently lol. I will do some more research first though as I've rear both good and bad things about these and the customer service that comes along with them. If all else fails then I'll just get a atlas 4 speed and call it good I guess.

Got a set of air shocks bought. Just waiting on their delivery now. 2 14" and 2 16" fox 2.5s !!! I figure they will be a great starting point for now. If I don't like them than I can get coilovers down the road. At least I can get my rig rolling on something for now.

Got a rear poly/genright four link kit and a bluetorch fab rear truss kit. Just need the front 3 link kit now. Getting that soon I hope.

Gonna run with a single ended full hydro setup to make things real easy. Not sure who I'll use yet, but whatever... just going to mount it to a HD tierod and then to the axle itself. Going to just use the stock ford knuckle mounts as they sit fairly high and will allow me to get away without high steer arms and the clearance issue with the frame at full bump.

Well, that's it so far. Got it all figured out and collecting the parts. Just need to start getting it all put together LOL.


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