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Old November 9th, 2008, 06:34 AM   #41
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While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

I would say non-weapons grade yellowcake does not constitute WMD. They did not have the capacity to enrich it.
True it wasn't weapons grade. It also isn't useful for anything other than enriching into weapons grade, unless you have a reactor to burn it in, which they did not. So, again, why did he have it?
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A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."
Yes, what was found wasn't usable, but the argument being made was that they did not exist, clearly they did exist.

To me GW used the wrong argument to take out Sadam. The UN violations were enough for me. Shooting as peace keeping forces was an act of war.

The rest of the UN winnies wouldn't buy into reinforcing the rules with punishment. As a result they are now irrelevent, look at the lack of progress with Iran as proof. I don't know why we still participate, the UN is as useless as the league of nations that it replaced.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 07:42 AM   #42
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True it wasn't weapons grade. It also isn't useful for anything other than enriching into weapons grade, unless you have a reactor to burn it in, which they did not. So, again, why did he have it?


Yes, what was found wasn't usable, but the argument being made was that they did not exist, clearly they did exist.

To me GW used the wrong argument to take out Sadam. The UN violations were enough for me. Shooting as peace keeping forces was an act of war.

The rest of the UN winnies wouldn't buy into reinforcing the rules with punishment. As a result they are now irrelevent, look at the lack of progress with Iran as proof. I don't know why we still participate, the UN is as useless as the league of nations that it replaced.
I agree with you here 3Foot. My problem with taking out Saddam was the premise by which we did it, and the lack of international aid/support/planning. I dont like being lied to and having my tax dollars support an ill thought out plan.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 08:58 AM   #43
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[QUOTE=Infinite_Wisdumb;1366077]I agree with you here 3Foot. My problem with taking out Saddam was the premise by which we did it, and the lack of international aid/support/planning. I dont like being lied to and having my tax dollars support an ill thought out plan.[/QUOTE]


Does that include socializing insurance, or increasing capitol gaines tax by 33%, or cutting the military by 25%.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #44
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Okay, I'll weigh in here.

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1) Going to war without the support of other nations
2) No child left behind
3) Poor exit strategy (result of poor war planning, rushing into the war)
4) Nucular (Its NUCLEAR dumbass)
5) Cut funding for the National Institutes of Health, thereby crippling basic science research in the US of A
1) I can only assume you're speaking of Iraq, since we have fewer allies helping there than in Afghanistan. Yes, Dubya elected to go into Iraq without the blessing and assistance of the French (who also don't belong to NATO and fail to participate in virtually any international effort they don't personally lead). Would more support have been better? Yes. However, every day that we tried to build the coalition, more truckloads of WMD and other contraband crossed into Syria. It became time to act, rather than continue to talk.

2) NCLB - what's the problem, other than it doesn't go far enough to mandate educational outcomes and quality and needs to come with more funding? It's high time to drive out the lazy and incompetent in the educational system and abolish tenure. Pay for performance.

3) Agreed - this is my biggest issue with the way that Iraq and Afghanistan are being managed.

4) Jimmuh Carter (a USNA graduate Nuclear Engineer) pronounced it that way as well. As a former member of the nuclear industry, it's a common regional pronunciation, particularly in the south.

5) He increased funding in 2001 and reduced it in 2006. Seems like a wash to me - especially in light of the declining economy.

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don't forget about all of his environmental credentials...
C'mon - cite some specifics, other than not signing up to the Kyoto terms, and subordinating U.S. sovereignty to an international body (the key point Al Gore keeps missing).

I know my employer has already spent in excess of $750M on regulatory-required environmental projects over the last four years and we're going to have spend a like amount over the next few years to meet the new standards - all laws enacted under Dubya.

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I don't like that he denied the pending recession for so long. Effective leaders read road-signs and take action before it's too late.
Agreed - a definite case of "head in the sand".

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Iraq had WMD? I didnt realize we found any when we invaded. I suppose he shipped them all out of the country without our spy satellies and drones even noticing. Saddam was one clever fellow!
While tons and tons of material were shipped from Iraq into Syria prior to the 2003 "shock and awe" we'll probably never know if or how much WMD might've been with it. Once we got in-country it's clear that there was little evidence of active WMD development going on in Iraq, so intelligence was flawed. However, let's recall that WMD potential was not the primary reason for taking action against Iraq - it was the continued refusal to allow inspections (i.e. acting guilty) despite international demands and condemnation. It's easy to criticize after-the-fact.

My take on Dubya is this:

He acts per his principles - not based on what a poll or Hollywood says. This does not endear him to the mainstream media. The media loved how Clinton would use them to "take the temperature" on something prior to taking action - and how actions were all scripted to send a message (i.e. bombing aspirin factories to distract attention from perjury).

He doesn't apologize or attempt to "humanize" the Presidency - another thing that distances him from the media, causing them to accuse him of being out of touch

He's not an inspiring figure, lacks charisma, and is a (at best) a mediocre public speaker. He is particularly poor at speaking "off the cuff". However, I find it distressing the level of importance people assign to speaking ability and charisma over leadership. The vast majority of criticism I've seen directed toward Dubya is based on this characteristic.

However, I'm disappointed in the following:

1) Lack of an exit strategy for Iraq and Afghanistan. Dubya is interested in nation building and idealistically thinks that we can turn Iraqis and Afghanis into good westerners by displacing their despotic leaders and giving them the opportunity.

2) Lack of backbone in regards to illegal aliens. He's trying to have it both ways, playing to those who support/protect them and those who realize it has to stop.

3) NAFTA tolerance - NAFTA (which was signed by Clinton, but supported by Bush I before him so both parties are culpable here) needs to be severely modified or eliminated and only Obama has spoke up about this.

4) Like many conservatives, Dubya gave the religious right far too much access and credibility to his administration.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #45
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Old November 9th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #46
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I dont like being lied to and having my tax dollars support an ill thought out plan.
Put this quote on your calendar for next Novemebr.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #47
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Now what Osama Obamma is in you can kiss your gun rights away. I urge you to buy any guns and mags that you need before he gets into office.

this couldn't come at a worse time with the tight money and christmas coming up!!

Mark my words, hes going to ban all high cap rifles and hand guns!!!

posablity all ammo as well. try to buy magpul P mags for the AR or beta C mags for the AR or even an AR rifle. You can't locally or online!!!!!!!
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