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Old November 5th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #41
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at least pot im MI passed lets all just get hi and forget about obama
You really didn't read that proposal very well did you?
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:06 PM   #42
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Or increase cost of goods and services. (i.e., do you think when our President elect moves forward with his plan to bankrupt the coal industry, that DTE will make less electricity with coal, or will it raise the cost to the consumers?). And to move to alternative energy it will require capital, (this is normally created with profit via bonds or loans) With higher taxes there is less capital for investments in growth (e.g., people), or technology advancements.

While I am sure there will be "tax-cuts" they will quickly be consumed by higher-costs and lower wages.

Techman FTW. I couldn't have said it better myself. At least the Senate isn't 60+ so the filibuster is still in play.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #43
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Techman FTW. I couldn't have said it better myself. At least the Senate isn't 60+ so the filibuster is still in play.
Good job jumping on the bandwagon of dipshits that believe everything they read about Obama without checking the facts. Do some research about him saying that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry. Obama and McCain are/were for clean coal technology, which is where this was pulled from.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #44
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Good job jumping on the bandwagon of dipshits that believe everything they read about Obama without checking the facts. Do some research about him saying that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry. Obama and McCain are/were for clean coal technology, which is where this was pulled from.
So we are dropping into name calling? A typical defense of someone who is unsure of himself or the facts in his/her possession. If you want to have a civil discussion, then lets have it, otherwise I am not interested.

I watched the video and read the transcript of his position on taxing companies that produce carbon emission. And yes he tried to back peddled the position later.

But you can replace coal with any business that will see higher taxes. The bottom line is, higher business taxes will impact ability to grow, advance or contain costs to their ultimate consumers.

This will reduce jobs or increase costs to the consumers. If we truly want to reduce taxes, we need to reduce taxes for everyone large and small, and this will require a smaller not larger government. He already has stated that he may not be able to reduce taxes in the short term, and he has not taken the office yet. Yes President elect Obama says he will try to reduce government, let hope that he follows through on that promise.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #45
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I did not vote for Obama, nor do I like most of his political stances. However, I hope for our Country's sake, he becomes a great President and makes our Country flourish again. I am tired of beating down the President, I am tried of the media beating down the President. It's been a long time since this Country didn't make the President into a pissing pole.

I do hope that having a African-American President gives us some kind of world street cred. I hope it opens up the Election to many fine people in years to come. Black, White, Man or Woman.

Whether you like him or not right now, at least we can do is give him his fair shot. Let's try to stop calling him a "insert racial slur here" and hope that he becomes a GREAT President.

Or, you could always move to Canada? It's really that easy.
I could not agree more. My uneducated "insert racial slur here" comment was directed at the morons that voted for him just because he is black.

I dont care one way or the other that a black man is going to be president. As long as he leads us with America's best interests in mind. I am more concerned with his policies than his skin color.

Personally I think it says a lot for the country to finally elect a black man. Too bad educated people didn't vote him in.

Either way he is the next Pres and I will show him the respect the office commands.
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So we are dropping into name calling? A typical defense of someone who is unsure of himself or the facts in his/her possession. If you want to have a civil discussion, then lets have it, otherwise I am not interested.

I watched the video and read the transcript of his position on taxing companies that produce carbon emission. And yes he tried to back peddled the position later.

But you can replace coal with any business that will see higher taxes. The bottom line is, higher business taxes will impact ability to grow, advance or contain costs to their ultimate consumers.

This will reduce jobs or increase costs to the consumers. If we truly want to reduce taxes, we need to reduce taxes for everyone large and small, and this will require a smaller not larger government. He already has stated that he may not be able to reduce taxes in the short term, and he has not taken the office yet. Yes President elect Obama says he will try to reduce government, let hope that he follows through on that promise.
Sorry about the name calling, but I'm sick of people on this forum posting uneducated crap that turns into rumors. See the full text below. He is saying that he wants coal power to be regulated, so they will be charged a fee if they are polluting too much. He's saying that if a coal plant wants to defy these rules, they will go bankrupt due to the pollution charges.

But ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What Iíve said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

ďSo if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. Itís just that it will bankrupt them because theyíre going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thatís being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that Iíve said with respect to coal -- I havenít been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we donít know how to store nuclear waste wisely and we donít know how to deal with some of the safety issues that remain. And so itís wildly expensive to pursue nuclear energy. But I tell you what, if we could figure out how to store it safely, then I think most of us would say that might be a pretty good deal.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:48 PM   #47
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:50 PM   #48
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there will always be a war somewhere at some point war is something that doesn't just go away because of the president
Especially with our lead in selling arms, the MIC can always make one using someone else's kids.
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I am tired of beating down the President, I am tried of the media beating down the President. It's been a long time since this Country didn't make the President into a pissing pole.
The liberal media won't beat down one of their own. Even if he gets some action with an intern in the oval office. Congratulations, your wish is granted.
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The liberal media won't beat down one of their own. Even if he gets some action with an intern in the oval office. Congratulations, your wish is granted.
They gave him a free pass on everything else.

What was the movie where you had to serve before you could be a "citizen" and vote. Nice concept. All these guys pissing and moaning about going to war, when they have never slung a rifle to serve. STFU.
But don't worry about getting out Iraq, I'm worried about Western Europe and South America.

On the coal comment, only Obama said he would bankrupt them. Everyone is for clean coal. But only Obama said "energy costs will skyrocket under my administration". And that is one comment that matches his record!!

We'll see what he does.
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