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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:16 PM   #61
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I think if we love our country, we have to support the office of the President and pay respect to the person in the office. The speech he gave last night made me feel a bit better (for now). Unlike the angry libs and the media in this country I will refer to him as President Obama and not "Obama". I will not stoop to the same level as they did with President Bush and refer to him by last name only.

I don't want to hear any of you liberal fuckers saying anything nice about President Bush when he leaves office with his final speech to the nation. You've hated him since day one so don't let your happy asses get all sappy now. When it comes to President Bush shut the fukc up already!

I think President elect Obama and his staff understand that there are lots of people out there who do not support him and his socialist agenda and we are a force to be reckoned with, like it or not. I think he is going to be forced into being everyone's President. Especially once he's been briefed on the real skinny on foreign policy and foreign and domestic intelligence matters.

That said, it bothers me that the house and senate are now democrat too. That part is very troublesome.
Good points. And along those lines from WSJ today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #62
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I guess it's just a waiting game now to see what happens. I did vote for Obama, but not because I think he's awesome, but because he seems to be slightly lesser like the reincarnation of satan. All we can do it hope that he will truly do everything within his legal power to help our nation in every way he can. I know that some people are mad that other countries think that we made a good decision, but when the U.S. is doing well, the rest of the civilized world tends to prosper as well.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:57 PM   #63
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At first I was like "DANG!"
Then I was like "Bhumz."
Then I was like "Sh!t!!!"
Then I was like "Awww man..."
Then I was like "I'm hungry."


Seriously, I'm happy. Whatever this country deserves, it will get. Maybe it's my Atlas Shruggedizian side, but let it begin.

I voted for Chuck Baldwin. I did not vote for McCain, because, if I keep on voting for the lesser of two evils, I cannot expect to ever have a good leader. I voted for ideas and what I believed in, and I did not cast a ballot to perpetuate this broken system any longer.

That being said, best of luck to Comrade Obama. I really, really hope he can do something with what he has been given. If he cannot, I hope that everyone learns a good lesson here.

Would I be happy if McCain won? Maybe slightly less disappointed, but still disappointed. We cannot keep looking to leaders to make change (because it will be an artificial change at best). We need to have our actions follow our beliefs.

Until then, I'm still brushing up on my Russian...
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I think if we love our country, we have to support the office of the President and pay respect to the person in the office. The speech he gave last night made me feel a bit better (for now). Unlike the angry libs and the media in this country I will refer to him as President Obama and not "Obama". I will not stoop to the same level as they did with President Bush and refer to him by last name only.

I don't want to hear any of you liberal fuckers saying anything nice about President Bush when he leaves office with his final speech to the nation. You've hated him since day one so don't let your happy asses get all sappy now. When it comes to President Bush shut the fukc up already!

I think President elect Obama and his staff understand that there are lots of people out there who do not support him and his socialist agenda and we are a force to be reckoned with, like it or not. I think he is going to be forced into being everyone's President. Especially once he's been briefed on the real skinny on foreign policy and foreign and domestic intelligence matters.

That said, it bothers me that the house and senate are now democrat too. That part is very troublesome.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 03:22 PM   #65
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I recall times were good during the Reagan era!
Well im not old enough to comment but I know times were not good for my parents in the Reagan era.

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Yea, and pretty much everything put in place before him by Republicans.

Wasn't it Clinton that oversaw NAFTA, and forced the large financial institutions into approving high risk loans?

Hmm....wonder what all of that created....
Yes clinton oversaw NAFTA, but had many restrictions on it that bush lifted. I wish clinton could have seen that nafta would go very bad in the hands of a republican.

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I think if we love our country, we have to support the office of the President and pay respect to the person in the office. The speech he gave last night made me feel a bit better (for now). Unlike the angry libs and the media in this country I will refer to him as President Obama and not "Obama". I will not stoop to the same level as they did with President Bush and refer to him by last name only.

I don't want to hear any of you liberal fuckers saying anything nice about President Bush when he leaves office with his final speech to the nation. You've hated him since day one so don't let your happy asses get all sappy now. When it comes to President Bush shut the fukc up already!

I think President elect Obama and his staff understand that there are lots of people out there who do not support him and his socialist agenda and we are a force to be reckoned with, like it or not. I think he is going to be forced into being everyone's President. Especially once he's been briefed on the real skinny on foreign policy and foreign and domestic intelligence matters.

That said, it bothers me that the house and senate are now democrat too. That part is very troublesome.
I for one don't agree with this. I have no respect for Bush and never will. He F'd up this country bad and I don't respect him as a president or a person. Don't worry about me saying anything nice about bush when he leaves office it definitly won't happen, im happy to see him leave.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 03:44 PM   #66
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Yea, and pretty much everything put in place before him by Republicans.

Wasn't it Clinton that oversaw NAFTA, and forced the large financial institutions into approving high risk loans?

Hmm....wonder what all of that created....

Was not going to post in this thread, but figured I would at least set the record straight on this........again.

NAFTA started as CAFTA and was Ronald Reagans idea as he ran for his first term. It made it's way through congress over many years and was finally signed into being by G.H.W. Bush. Clinton oversaw NAFTA during his Presidency, supported it and signed aspects of it into law. As did G.W. Bush






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I think if we love our country, we have to support the office of the President and pay respect to the person in the office. The speech he gave last night made me feel a bit better (for now). Unlike the angry libs and the media in this country I will refer to him as President Obama and not "Obama". I will not stoop to the same level as they did with President Bush and refer to him by last name only.

I don't want to hear any of you liberal fuckers saying anything nice about President Bush when he leaves office with his final speech to the nation. You've hated him since day one so don't let your happy asses get all sappy now. When it comes to President Bush shut the fukc up already!

I think President elect Obama and his staff understand that there are lots of people out there who do not support him and his socialist agenda and we are a force to be reckoned with, like it or not. I think he is going to be forced into being everyone's President. Especially once he's been briefed on the real skinny on foreign policy and foreign and domestic intelligence matters.

That said, it bothers me that the house and senate are now democrat too. That part is very troublesome.

We agree on the respect for the office. I have always held that respect.

I have not had respect for the direction President Bush (I shorten to Bush or W because my fingers get tired) has taken this country over his tenure though. That is simply my opinion and I am sticking with it. If President Obama does well (again, in my simple opinion), then I will continue to give him my respect. If not, well I will still respect the office.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #67
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Well im not old enough to comment but I know times were not good for my parents in the Reagan era.
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Yes clinton oversaw NAFTA, but had many restrictions on it that bush lifted. I wish clinton could have seen that nafta would go very bad in the hands of a republican.



I for one don't agree with this. I have no respect for Bush and never will. He F'd up this country bad and I don't respect him as a president or a person. Don't worry about me saying anything nice about bush when he leaves office it definitly won't happen, im happy to see him leave.
Well I remember and my parents were doing quite well for a middle class family. I even got a hand me down car when i turned 16 because we could afford a new car......
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #68
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Can black people still say that "The Man" is holding them down?
Yes.

He wants to be re-elected in 4 years right?

He will want to win over whitey as well as make some converts.

I would guess if he was going to try something really radical it wouldnt be in the first term. He will try to change somethings, but he isn't going to pay for peoples mortgages or gas bills in his first term.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:04 PM   #69
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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:31 PM   #70
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I am a Military veteran , I became disabled during my tour, I have accepted the fact that I volunteered and served my country and my fellow Americans I stood for the weak sick Lame and Lazy . I did this because I love my Country and I love being an American , I love hearing My American flag slapping in the breeze out in my front yard. I have learned to respect Authoritive positions people hold, the Army taught me to respect the command but not necessarily the person and I have followed that for over 20 years but I must admit yesterday I lost a lot of respect for my American Brothers and sisters as the majority put on blinders and jumped at a quick and seemingly easy way to magically fix their supposed problems . I do not care about the Presidents color , I dont care about the President poltical party but I do care that our next President does not hold my Country first and respect what many many Americans fought hard for. American history and its legacey is much more important than some entitlists wanting something for nothing.

America is now knocked down a notch on the world leader board ...

I hope Obama proves me wrong , I will be the first to admit I was wrong but until then If I meet you on the way to hell you better not be wearing a Obama button.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:38 PM   #71
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I am a Military veteran , I became disabled during my tour, I have accepted the fact that I volunteered and served my country and my fellow Americans I stood for the weak sick Lame and Lazy . I did this because I love my Country and I love being an American , I love hearing My American flag slapping in the breeze out in my front yard. I have learned to respect Authoritive positions people hold, the Army taught me to respect the command but not necessarily the person and I have followed that for over 20 years but I must admit yesterday I lost a lot of respect for my American Brothers and sisters as the majority put on blinders and jumped at a quick and seemingly easy way to magically fix their supposed problems . I do not care about the Presidents color , I dont care about the President poltical party but I do care that our next President does not hold my Country first and respect what many many Americans fought hard for. American history and its legacey is much more important than some entitlists wanting something for nothing.

America is now knocked down a notch on the world leader board ...

I hope Obama proves me wrong , I will be the first to admit I was wrong but until then If I meet you on the way to hell you better not be wearing a Obama button.


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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:46 PM   #72
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Maybe it's my Atlas Shruggedizian side, but let it begin

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Speaking of Atlas Shrugged, I wish Mark Scott was still around. That would be some gooood listening.
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I can partially agree with this statement. Although, there are a lot people who are proud to see an African American president who aren't expecting a handout/ass kissing.
You are correct. However I work mainly in ghettos. I don't see very many of them.

I did stop and chat with an elderly black man that I am sure was an Obama supporter. We chatted for a while. We agreed on a few things and disagreed on some others. Over all it was a nice conversation. Odd but nice.
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I'm with ya on every point there.
Me too. Thats why I voted for Hombre for president yesterday.
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I hope Obama proves me wrong , I will be the first to admit I was wrong but until then If I meet you on the way to hell you better not be wearing a Obama button.
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I am a Military veteran , I became disabled during my tour, I have accepted the fact that I volunteered and served my country and my fellow Americans .I stood for the weak sick Lame and Lazy . I did this because I love my Country and I love being an American , I love hearing My American flag slapping in the breeze out in my front yard. I have learned to respect Authoritive positions people hold, the Army taught me to respect the command but not necessarily the person and I have followed that for over 20 years but I must admit yesterday I lost a lot of respect for my American Brothers and sisters as the majority put on blinders and jumped at a quick and seemingly easy way to magically fix their supposed problems . I do not care about the Presidents color , I dont care about the Presidents poltical party but I do care that our next President does not hold my Country first and respect what many many Americans fought hard for. American history and its legacey is much more important than some entitlists wanting something for nothing.

America is now knocked down a notch on the world leader board ...

I hope Obama proves me wrong , I will be the first to admit I was wrong but until then If I meet you on the way to hell you better not be wearing a Obama button.
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Seeing the Dems been squeeking more of what was the Roadless Initiative through over the last couple years, I am sure Obama and all the Dmes controlling damn-near everything now it will be pushed right on through.

In a nutshell, the Roadless Initiative was Al Gore's baby to keep us off our own federal land little by little. Billy pushed it through right before he left but GW pulled it right away.

I think Barry might shit his pants after his first briefing and go running back to Oprah in Chicago. Hopefully I am very wrong though.

Thank you Shakr.
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