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Old October 12th, 2008, 09:56 AM   #21
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I didn't say it doesn't matter to me.
I was hoping that you didnt, and thats why I didnt bring your name into the reply. We are on the same page.
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Old October 12th, 2008, 10:00 AM   #22
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Read below for abortion rhetoric:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...rap/index.html

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"A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for activist courts that will continue to smother the open and democratic debate that we deserve and that we need on this issue of life," she said. "Obama is a politician who has long since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life."

Obama opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade and disagreed with Supreme Court ruling to uphold the "Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act." He did not cast a vote on Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions amendment in 2007.

Palin opposes abortion in all cases, including rape and incest, except when a mother's life is in danger, and said she believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the decision given to the states.



Smothering the democratic debate by ALLOWING abortions? WTF? Smothering it would be to BAN abortions.

She is even against abortions in Rape and Incest cases.

Too far Right for me, no thank you.
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Old October 12th, 2008, 10:20 AM   #23
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I'm a pro-choice conservative, but agree that - in principle - Roe V. Wade is bad "lawmaking", since it's legislation via the courts.

Legislation via the courts is a favorite (and successful) liberal strategy to enact laws that otherwise couldn't get enacted because politicians are too cowardly to support them.

Instead of Row V. Wade, introduce a bill into Congress and make them vote for or against it - don't give them the easy out and let some non-accountable SCOTUS justices twist the wording of the Constitution around to enact these defacto laws.

Why not? Politicans are afraid of making a stand - let's make them. And then hold them accountable.

Why are people afraid of Roe V. Wade being challenged? Because there are no politicians with enough balls to introduce the "legalize abortion" bill and there's a chance that it wouldn't pass. Likewise bussing, and a whole host of others.
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I'm a pro-choice conservative, but agree that - in principle - Roe V. Wade is bad "lawmaking", since it's legislation via the courts.

Legislation via the courts is a favorite (and successful) liberal strategy to enact laws that otherwise couldn't get enacted because politicians are too cowardly to support them.

Instead of Row V. Wade, introduce a bill into Congress and make them vote for or against it - don't give them the easy out and let some non-accountable SCOTUS justices twist the wording of the Constitution around to enact these defacto laws.

Why not? Politicans are afraid of making a stand - let's make them. And then hold them accountable.

Why are people afraid of Roe V. Wade being challenged? Because there are no politicians with enough balls to introduce the "legalize abortion" bill and there's a chance that it wouldn't pass. Likewise bussing, and a whole host of others.
I want LESS government, not more. I dont want my rights taken away. Right now I can choose to have an abortion. It doesnt mean I will.
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Let's not fall into the trap, however.

Suppose McCain wins - will a Pelosi house ever consider an anti-abortion amendment?

Moot point, just like McCain's flawed healthcare plan.
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Let's not fall into the trap, however.

Suppose McCain wins - will a Pelosi house ever consider an anti-abortion amendment?

Moot point, just like McCain's flawed healthcare plan.
Correct. Can a McCain white house reappoint supreme court justices?
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"Reappoint"? Not aware of it.

Would a McCain administration attempt to appoint conservative justices? Yes.

Would they succeed? Unlikely - they'd end up going with a safe "centrist" pick.

Would an Obama administration attempt to appoint liberal justices? Yes.

Would they succeed? Yes.
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"Reappoint"? Not aware of it.

Would a McCain administration attempt to appoint conservative justices? Yes.

Would they succeed? Unlikely - they'd end up going with a safe "centrist" pick.

Would an Obama administration attempt to appoint liberal justices? Yes.

Would they succeed? Yes.
Reappoint in the event of a retirement. Two of the justices are getting old. And the two youngest were just appointed by GW Bush. Hopefully you can see why I am concerned.

Justice Appointed By Age
Roberts GW Bush 53
Stevens Ford 88
Scalia Reagan 72
Kennedy Reagan 72
Souter GHW Bush 69
Thomas GHW Bush 69
Ginsburg Clinton 75
Breyer Clinton 70
Alito GW Bush 58

I suppose the sentate could vote to block, but this is still a very important appointment for RVW.

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Old October 12th, 2008, 01:47 PM   #29
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Justice Appointed By Age
Roberts GW Bush 53
Stevens Ford 88
Scalia Reagan 72
Kennedy Reagan 72
Souter GHW Bush 69
Thomas GHW Bush 69
Ginsburg Clinton 75
Breyer Clinton 70
Alito GW Bush 58

I suppose the sentate could vote to block, but this is still a very important appointment for RVW.
Yes, but Dubya's appointments weren't all that conservative - he went for mass appeal (damnit!). Despite being appointed by Reagan, Kennedy is acting like the other Kennedys in pushing a decidedly liberal agenda.

[QUOTE=Infinite_Wisdumb;1325282]Reappoint in the event of a retirement. Two of the justices are getting old. And the two youngest were just appointed by GW Bush. Hopefully you can see why I am concerned.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 08:02 PM   #31
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dude we need a republican to run in this election.both are liberal cognitivly impared individuals.
as for palin being ridaculed didnt you know that firing some one for failing at a job is wrong i didnt til i read this post
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Old October 13th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #32
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explain to me how it's a big deal. i honestly don't understand what they are flipping out about. please soda pop, enlighten me.
First, I'm DEFINITELY not flipping out about it. Personally I think that most politicians do some things that have personal motivations, HOWEVER, this does not make it okay. Fact of the matter is that she was found to have done something she shouldn't have and now it's become and issue because she wasn't upfront about it to begin with.


From http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14481.html
Branchflower wrote that “although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination.”

The report dismissed the Palins’ public assertions that they feared Wooten.

“I conclude that such claims of fear were not bona fide and were offered to provide cover for Palin’s real motivation: to get Trooper Wooten fired for personal family-related reasons,” Branchflower wrote.

Branchflower specifically found that “Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”

That part of the act provides that “each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”

Branchflower also found that Palin improperly allowed her husband to use state resources to pressure Monegan.

“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation],” Branchflower wrote. He found she “knowingly … permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.”

The Legislature did not release an entire second volume of Branchflower’s report because he wrote it contains “highly confidential personal information and may not be released or discussed with unauthorized persons by law.”

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First, I'm DEFINITELY not flipping out about it. Personally I think that most politicians do some things that have personal motivations, HOWEVER, this does not make it okay.
The "personal motivations" is where I see us differing in opinion.

If she was "personally motivated" to fire Wooten for no reason, just because she was pissed and wanted to crush him, then yes I see that as an abuse of power.

If she was "personally motivated" to fire Wooten and anyone in her way because he is a loose cannon who is known to have tazed a 10 year old and has been caught with open intox multiple times in his patrol car, then I have no problem with that.

I am alright with an elected official doing everything they can to keep jackasses like Wooten from giving a bad name to law enforcement everywhere.
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Nice to see the family is involved.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Top state police officials urged Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's aides and husband to stop pushing for the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, with one warning it could cause "an extreme amount of discomfort and embarrassment."


That warning from John Glass, Alaska's deputy commissioner of public safety, is included in a state investigator's report that found Palin unlawfully abused her authority to press for the dismissal of Mike Wooten, her sister's ex-husband, from the state trooper force.

Glass said he warned Palin's husband, Todd, that disciplinary action already had been taken against the trooper and that "we could not fire him," according to the report, which was released Friday.

"And I also warned him that it was going to cause some extreme amount of discomfort and embarrassment for the governor if they pursued this and it should never have become public. That it would just be not good for the governor if it continued, and that they needed to cease and desist," Glass told former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower, the report's author.

The report was commissioned by a bipartisan Alaska Legislature committee panel investigating Palin's July dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The report found Monegan's refusal to fire Wooten was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's dismissal, but Palin -- now the running mate of GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain -- had the authority as governor to fire him.

The report, however, also states Palin's efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action.
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Palin cleared on Alaska ethics violations

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Associated Press reported that the personnel board's findings counter earlier, separate findings that resulted from a state legislative investigation.
"There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters," an attorney hired by the personnel board wrote in his report, according to CNN.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27524238/

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Associated Press reported that the personnel board's findings counter earlier, separate findings that resulted from a state legislative investigation.
"There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters," an attorney hired by the personnel board wrote in his report, according to CNN.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27524238/



Just for some clarification, the Personnel board is appointed by the Governor. The original legislative investigation was conducted by a bi-partisan committee original convened by a majority of Republicans.

I don't think this is cut and dry and people should read more before making thier own conclusions.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor and violated state ethics law by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday.
WAIT! THIS MORNING'S NAT'L NEWS SAID SHE WAS FOUND TO HAVE NOT ABUSED HER AUTHORITY.......
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I could have tazed my son a couple times when he was ten.
He would have got me back though.

But, once, my girl and I were having coffee in the morning, barefoot. I had a first gen stun-gun. There was a sparrow on the chain link fence so I touched the fence with the stun-gun, Lorraine said "don't", and made the bitch-mouth.
I smiled and pulled the trigger.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!! Shocked the snot out of me.
Lorraine laughed so hard, dropped her coffee and broke the cup.
the bird flew away unharmed.
She told that story often.
haha thats great
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Just for some clarification, the Personnel board is appointed by the Governor. The original legislative investigation was conducted by a bi-partisan committee original convened by a majority of Republicans.

I don't think this is cut and dry and people should read more before making thier own conclusions.

This is the official outcome.

the end
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This is the official outcome.

the end
ironically they release it too late to affect the election
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