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Old October 23rd, 2008, 08:26 AM   #1
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It boils down to the fact that either way we are screwed. No matter who wins the election this year, we are screwed. Barack will spend us down a river. McCain will pour trillions into fighting a war with someone, anyone. So, it really doesn't matter who wins. So, with that in mind, why don't we all vote for third party candidates. I don't care which one. Just don't vote for either major candidate. The electoral college will elect whoever is supposed to win anyway. It would just be nice to prove that an independent candidate could have a shot. If no one starts to support the third party folks, they will never gain any media coverage. It will take years for them to gain widespread support, but it has to start somewhere. I was dead set on voting for McCain, because I felt that a vote for the Libertarian candidate would just be a vote for Barack. At this point, I don't care. If you truly want your vote to count for something, skip the Democrats and Republicans and vote for an independent. I don't care if it is Nader even. Just show that there is real support out here in the US for a change in the major political arena. This is the year. No matter who wins the economy is going to suck. Jobs are going to go away. The US dollar is going to become even more worthless. Go to the polls and do something different. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insane. If we continue to vote for the 2 schleps they put in front of us to chose from, nothing will ever change.
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I want to vote for Bob Barr.

But I REALLY dislike Obama.

It's a tough call for me.
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I will be voting for Bob Barr. I know he can't be elected, but I just can't justify voting for McCain or even Nobama when that just guarantees that nothing in the system will change.
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I wish that I could help elect a candidate who was looking toward fiscal responsibility. We are 55 trillion dollars in debt. America is "living beyond it's means". I think the war is a bigger issue than social programs, therefore I am voting for Obama.
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I don't like any of the independents either.
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I think the war is a bigger issue than social programs
I disagree. More social programs (handouts) just further the already epidemic attitude of self entitlement that this country and society has been sliding into the abyss of for decades.

There is no sense of responsibility, fiscal or otherwise. Why should there be, if, as everyone knows the Government will just bail everyone out...
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I disagree. More social programs (handouts) just further the already epidemic attitude of self entitlement that this country and society has been sliding into the abyss of for decades.

There is no sense of responsibility, fiscal or otherwise. Why should there be, if, as everyone knows the Government will just bail everyone out...
You just hit the nail on the head. This is the single biggest issue that is driving the US into the ground. Generations of people living in this country have not had to produce anything, yet have been supported by our social contract government. I'm sorry, but if you don't produce anything, but are perfectly capable of doing so, then you should not get any support. Look at the severely handicapped or mentally retarded. Even many of them do everything they can to support themselves bybeing productive members of society as best they are able. Social welfare has caused more fundamental, possibly irreversable problems in this country than any other issue.
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I wish that I could help elect a candidate who was looking toward fiscal responsibility.
You can, McCain-Palin.
Barry's government machine would be $$HUGE$$.

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You just hit the nail on the head. This is the single biggest issue that is driving the US into the ground. Generations of people living in this country have not had to produce anything, yet have been supported by our social contract government. I'm sorry, but if you don't produce anything, but are perfectly capable of doing so, then you should not get any support. Look at the severely handicapped or mentally retarded. Even many of them do everything they can to support themselves bybeing productive members of society as best they are able. Social welfare has caused more fundamental, possibly irreversable problems in this country than any other issue.
Which is why in some ways I find myself also thinking that this country needs another revolution, a shake up of the political parties as well.

That being said, while I'm not "for McCain" per se', I am definitely much more against Obama.

Even before your post, I knew I wasn't alone in being weary of being forced to choose from among the lesser of two evils...
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You are absolutely correct. We need the bottom to drop out, people to be starving, houses sitting empty, Wall Street deserted. The limited free market economy we have is attempting to purge, but our government is doing everything they can to prevent that from happening. Starving people revolt. Hungry people merely complain.
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bigger than our current war machine?
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bigger than our current war machine?
Absolutely. I'm tempted to just ride it out. I figure if Obama takes the white house and the Dems control the Congress the country will be driven so far into the ground that the Democratic party as a whole will cease to exist by the 2012 elections......If there are 2012 elections.......

Remember, Rome didn't crumble in a day. It took years. America as a free republic could be gone within four years.
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bigger than our current war machine?
You and I are political opposites. So mark my words.
Don't focus on our military in the middle east. Iraq is yesterdays news. Big turnover in the last six months.
You should be wondering about South America!! And that is the battle we cannot lose and is directly tied to our success in Iraq.
9-11 brought so many things into play, Bin Laden really did ignite the perfect storm and in his words "we didn't realize it would work so well".

I hope I'm worm chow before we fight that one.

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Old October 23rd, 2008, 10:37 AM   #14
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I wish that I could help elect a candidate who was looking toward fiscal responsibility. We are 55 trillion dollars in debt. America is "living beyond it's means". I think the war is a bigger issue than social programs, therefore I am voting for Obama.
You're just silly... Obama will continue the war you can bank on that plus he will program us to death which will be driving the last nails in our coffin...
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Since the media won't ever cover any other parties most people have no idea who they are or what they stand for due to the it ain't on tv so it must not be worth hearing about mentality. So in that case we might as well just have an American Idol type of election since more people vote for that crap then for the person who will be the head of our country.

It would start off with all the candidates and be whittled down to the winner. I know the voting would be all skewed and shit but it already is due to the electoral college and asshats like ACORN doing everything they can legally and illegally to get their candidate voted in. This way we would at least give a better view of who is out there worth voting for or not. Since the big 2 aren't worth voting for and neither are some of the others.

It would all end the same anyway and it would make it more entertaining, so WTF.
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You're just silly... Obama will continue the war you can bank on that plus he will program us to death which will be driving the last nails in our coffin...
well, i feel he's a better shot at ending the war than McCain. If you disagree with that, I don't know what to say.
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Absolutely. I'm tempted to just ride it out. I figure if Obama takes the white house and the Dems control the Congress the country will be driven so far into the ground that the Democratic party as a whole will cease to exist by the 2012 elections......If there are 2012 elections.......

Remember, Rome didn't crumble in a day. It took years. America as a free republic could be gone within four years.

The previous administration for the past 8 years has done just this.
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well, i feel he's a better shot at ending the war than McCain. If you disagree with that, I don't know what to say.
That's just it... He won't change a thing... Neither one of them will in regards to the war... So why would we want a dem who will put more stupid programs in place thus costing us working folks even more money??? just to finish us off??? Have you thought about how the dems always cut funding for the military? Just what they need, to be in harms way fighting without the proper equipment and supplies... Also keep in mind which party was in office when we have gone to war... With the exception of the current president of course...
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The war is just a diversion to distract us from what is being done to us by our own government here at home. They have used it as an excuse to deprive us of many of the freedoms we have enjoyed as citizens of the US for the past couple hundred years. Neither the Democrats or Republicans will end the so called War on Terror. It is just a cover to justify their ulterior motives.

Damn. I am sounding more and more like some left wing radical conspiracy theorist every day.
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The war is just a diversion to distract us from what is being done to us by our own government here at home. They have used it as an excuse to deprive us of many of the freedoms we have enjoyed as citizens of the US for the past couple hundred years. Neither the Democrats or Republicans will end the so called War on Terror. It is just a cover to justify their ulterior motives.

Damn. I am sounding more and more like some left wing radical conspiracy theorist every day.
I don't visit this side of the fence very often, please let me know what you think "their ulterior motives" are.

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