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Old October 6th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #21
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Youu bought a diesel deal with the prices.
Interestingly it was the high cost of diesel that led him to get "good" deal on an oil burner
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Any place that cooks food commercially and has deep fryers also has tanks out back to dispose of the grease. They pay for the service so often you are able to get Waste Veggie oil from these places for free or possibly a small cost.

what happens when everybody and their brother needs this waste veggie oil?
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It's an interesting thought for sure as long as the supply remained easy. One of the true beauties of diesel is how many variants of fuel they can run. May be completely unfounded, but I do feel better having diesel vehicles with our ever changing times.
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what happens when everybody and their brother needs this waste veggie oil?
while i havent been paying 100% attention to what others do, I can truthfully say that in my area of north metro detroit i havent seen any wvo powered diesels. I gotta believe the supply that is being thrown out is tenfold more then what is being used.
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while i havent been paying 100% attention to what others do, I can truthfully say that in my area of north metro detroit i havent seen any wvo powered diesels. I gotta believe the supply that is being thrown out is tenfold more then what is being used.
If you run out, or unable to find any, you can still just run normal diesel right?

I saw two old Mercedes diesels that used to come into my shop that the guy had done the conversion on.

He had the fuel lines running through coolant lines to keep it warm. It was a pretty cool set up.
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If you run out, or unable to find any, you can still just run normal diesel right?

I saw two old Mercedes diesels that used to come into my shop that the guy had done the conversion on.

He had the fuel lines running through coolant lines to keep it warm. It was a pretty cool set up.
With a WVO conversion it is basically a hybrid. It runs diesel (bio or dino) until the WVO is warm, then you run the WVO.

Certainly there could be such an influx of people running WVO that the WVO would start costing money. The nice thing is it would take a while before it offset the savings and ultimately if it became uneconomical then you could just go back to running Bio or Dino diesel.

There are several ways you can get oil. It does not have to be waste oil, but typically that is a free or nearly free source. It also, as I mentioned earlier, is more 'refined' because the excess water content is cooked out so it is more concentrated.

That VW Station Wagon that is for sale would be a good candidate for a WVO conversion because of the excess space in the back. It is very common for old Mercedes to be used for the conversions also.
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With a WVO conversion it is basically a hybrid. It runs diesel (bio or dino) until the WVO is warm, then you run the WVO.

Certainly there could be such an influx of people running WVO that the WVO would start costing money. The nice thing is it would take a while before it offset the savings and ultimately if it became uneconomical then you could just go back to running Bio or Dino diesel.

There are several ways you can get oil. It does not have to be waste oil, but typically that is a free or nearly free source. It also, as I mentioned earlier, is more 'refined' because the excess water content is cooked out so it is more concentrated.

That VW Station Wagon that is for sale would be a good candidate for a WVO conversion because of the excess space in the back. It is very common for old Mercedes to be used for the conversions also.
That's what I had thought. I wonder how a business venture making the stuff would turn out....something to think about.

The only ones I have ever seen are the old Mercedes tank of a car. Have not seen a truck yet.
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I think the reason you see them in the cars the most is due to the fact that the cars get good gas mileage. Typically the people that had been doing this up to this point were greenies and they wanted the most earth friendly.

Now with prices up surely you will drive by a diesel and catch a smell that makes you think of french fries.
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The problem you are going to run into eventually is that waste oil of any kind has value to large recyclers. Traditionally, they have been paid to take the waste oil. However, as demand goes up and people realize that they have a valuable commodity, the price for it will go up. Most restaurants have a signed contract for waste oil disposal and do not have the authority to give you waste oil. Eventually veggie oil could be recycled by companies for sale to the general public. You really, really need to understand where the market is going before you spend a lot of time and money on a WVO system. I don't see sources drying up over night, but over the next 5 years, it could become pretty hard to find. Just think of the risks vs. your initial investement. It could work out to be some pretty expensive veggie oil if you can't find a supply for the long term.
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The problem you are going to run into eventually is that waste oil of any kind has value to large recyclers. Traditionally, they have been paid to take the waste oil. However, as demand goes up and people realize that they have a valuable commodity, the price for it will go up. Most restaurants have a signed contract for waste oil disposal and do not have the authority to give you waste oil. Eventually veggie oil could be recycled by companies for sale to the general public. You really, really need to understand where the market is going before you spend a lot of time and money on a WVO system. I don't see sources drying up over night, but over the next 5 years, it could become pretty hard to find. Just think of the risks vs. your initial investement. It could work out to be some pretty expensive veggie oil if you can't find a supply for the long term.
You are right that it could, however all the above is speculatory and with prices on the commodity markets (petro) dropping one could also speculate the opposite.

I suspect it wouldn't take long to pay for your investment with WVO so even if things changed, you would have the ability to do what the market dictated.
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You are right that it could, however all the above is speculatory and with prices on the commodity markets (petro) dropping one could also speculate the opposite.

I suspect it wouldn't take long to pay for your investment with WVO so even if things changed, you would have the ability to do what the market dictated.
my thinking is this, the setup from DFA costs around 3500, including a 50 or 60 gal heated tank, add in another 500 or so for filters and transpo equipment and my total cost would run 4k. with diesel at $4 a gallon it costs me 100-120 to fill up. usually i fill up once a week, so theres about 400 a month on diesel. if my math is correct in theory i could earn back that 4k in less then a year.

I realize many large business's, like your large fast food chains are under contract for their used oil, however hittin up smaller resturants is the perfered way to go. probably u have to start with small amounts of oil then as they see your comitment they may be willing to cancel their contract and allow you to take the oil. it all depends on the business and their business practices...
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You also are going to have to figure in how you are going to pay taxes on your fuel. I am not sure how that works, but there is a limit to how much you can use before needing to pay.
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Hell with all the trouble, it's just easier to pay more and fill up at the pump.
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You also need to figure in the length of your typical commute. Mine is about 25 minutes. SVO just isn't practical for that. If it takes 10 minutes to get the SVO up to temp and you have to switch back to dino diesel 5-10 minutes before you arrive, I would be able to use WVO for all of maybe 5-10 minutes each trip. That would save me such a small amount of diesel that it would take forever to off-set the expense of the kit.
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Details Name Unit Price Quantity Total Select
DFA-9407VG Vegistroke Turn Key System $2775.00 $2775.00
Vehicle Year: - 2000 7.3 - -
Tank: - 60gn Toolbox Combo(19hx20dx57w) $1050.00 $1050.00
Transmission: - Manual - -
Vegistroke Pressure gage kit: - Autometer Fuel level, fuel pressure and dual overhead gage kit $175.00 $175.00
Grand Total: $4000.00 Delete
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This is what I'm looking at for my Stroke skoots . . . . . same with your??
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DFA-9407VG Vegistroke Turn Key System $2775.00 $2775.00
Vehicle Year: - 2000 7.3 - -
Tank: - 60gn Toolbox Combo(19hx20dx57w) $1050.00 $1050.00
Transmission: - Manual - -
Vegistroke Pressure gage kit: - Autometer Fuel level, fuel pressure and dual overhead gage kit $175.00 $175.00
Grand Total: $4000.00 Delete
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This is what I'm looking at for my Stroke skoots . . . . . same with your??
yep, 100% same kit. Only thing im not 100% sure of is the home filtration setup, seen a few designs out there, just gotta decide which one is best.
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You want a environmental hippy, you've got one almost in your back yard (by 30 miles). My old high school physics teacher is a friggin green junkie. Converted a 97 VW TDI...http://home.earthlink.net/~joshuabarclay/id16.html . Send some e-mails.
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contact 1x1speedcraig he just bought a wvo setup and i think he was running his suburban on it!!
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Neither system is cheap on startup, however i like wvo cause of its simplicity and lack of basic chemistry work and refinery equipment. Bio diesel will always require you to add methanol and lye for every batch you make, always in varied amounts due to the differences in the oils condition(the more the oil is used the more fats and other deposits get intermixed within the oil.

Except what happens when you decide to buy a VW TDi or another diesel p/u? Add WVO systems to those vehicles too? With biodiesel, you could fuel whatever vehicle you wanted and use it for home/garage heating like someone else on this forum.
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With a WVO conversion it is basically a hybrid. It runs diesel (bio or dino) until the WVO is warm, then you run the WVO.

Certainly there could be such an influx of people running WVO that the WVO would start costing money. The nice thing is it would take a while before it offset the savings and ultimately if it became uneconomical then you could just go back to running Bio or Dino diesel.

There are several ways you can get oil. It does not have to be waste oil, but typically that is a free or nearly free source. It also, as I mentioned earlier, is more 'refined' because the excess water content is cooked out so it is more concentrated.

That VW Station Wagon that is for sale would be a good candidate for a WVO conversion because of the excess space in the back. It is very common for old Mercedes to be used for the conversions also.

I have heard rumors (but not tried to confirm) that cosmetics companies are looking into biodiesel refinery for the byproduct created.
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