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Old October 6th, 2008, 09:09 AM   #1
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Since buying my 02 Powerstroke in July i have discovered 2 things. One is that I'm in love now with diesels, I cant imagine ever buying a gasser again. The other is I f'ning hate paying the ridiculous price of fuel. So logically im only left with a few solutions; keep takin in up the butt at the pump, get an aux. tank and run on the red stuff, or get dirty and get a wvo(waste vegitable oil)setup. Over the last few weeks ive been doing some light reading, going over each companies setups and looking for positives and negatives. Pretty much ive settled on Dino fuel alternatives Vegistroke kit. By far this looks like the cleanest, and easiest to use kits out there.

Just curious to know if anyone out there is running on grease? What do you do for your pre filtering/collection and inital transport, how much do you store at home, what are your overall impressions. I probably wont do this conversion will the spring, do to the initial cost of the kit but figure the cost in fuel saving will easily make up for the large startup costs.
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Old October 6th, 2008, 09:19 AM   #2
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I feel your pain! I have also been thinking about doing this, but I unfortunately don't know enough about it yet. I am glad you started this thread, I will be watching closely to see what people have to say.
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build a setup to refine biodiesel probably would be the best, then you can easily run it in the winter too (without heating your tanks)
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did a little reading on Dino's web site. This is confusing, although it would be awesome!

"However the miles per gallon of diesel used will go up to between 50-80mpg in town and upwards of 300 miles per gallon of diesel used on road trips."
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did a little reading on Dino's web site. This is confusing, although it would be awesome!

"However the miles per gallon of diesel used will go up to between 50-80mpg in town and upwards of 300 miles per gallon of diesel used on road trips."
Of Diesel is the key part of that sentance. Take into account the time it takes for WVO to heat up before you can switch over to it, and the OP is saying that longer trips is the larger pay off. Essentially you should only be running diesel when you are waiting for the warm up.

Skoot, why aren't you considering bio diesel? I also agree that it is the most practical solution.
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Of Diesel is the key part of that sentance. Take into account the time it takes for WVO to heat up before you can switch over to it, and the OP is saying that longer trips is the larger pay off. Essentially you should only be running diesel when you are waiting for the warm up.

Skoot, why aren't you considering bio diesel? I also agree that it is the most practical solution.
what is nice about DFA's wvo setup is that they have 1 of the best in tank heating systems available on the market. Their kit is 100% automated in that the system will kick on only when the oil is up to temp, and automatically purges the system when the engine is shut off.

Personally I dont like the idea of doing bio diesel. For one the cost of startup equipment(usually around $2000 or more), the time required for the distillation, the size the equipment takes up, the use of chemistry and chemicals... Granted i could make my own bio diesel and sell it and make a little bit of profit, however do to much and you start getting taxed. Grease is nice because almost no matter where you are given an establishment is using the right kind of oil and you have an onboard filter setup you can fill up for free and in the long run your helping the environment.
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Out of curiosity, how easy is it to find continuous sources of WVO?
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ok, GM what are your opinions on wvo as an alternative fuel? What should I use as a pre filter system, siphon pump or a centrifugal system? How many micron should i filter too? Do you recommend a plastic or steel drum for the initial transportation vessel and should i use a tank wrap? Being that you are are superior then I am as a person your input is greatly needed.
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Any place that cooks food commercially and has deep fryers also has tanks out back to dispose of the grease. They pay for the service so often you are able to get Waste Veggie oil from these places for free or possibly a small cost.

You can also use raw veggie oil, however it has been said that WVO is more efficient because the water content has already been 'cooked' out.
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ok, GM what are your opinions on wvo as an alternative fuel? What should I use as a pre filter system, siphon pump or a centrifugal system? How many micron should i filter too? Do you recommend a plastic or steel drum for the initial transportation vessel and should i use a tank wrap? Being that you are are superior then I am as a person your input is greatly needed.
I think it's a great idea for alternative fuel. It's just another thing to add on the to do list though, and it's difficult to have the room to handle all of the equipment.

I would go with the simplest system with everything else. I'm assuming a siphon pump would be simpler than a centrifugal system. I would use the most cost effective filter, because obviously a better filter will cost more money.

I'd use plastic drum, then you won't have to worry about rust. Not sure about the tank wrap.

Depending on how you refine it you may actually have to still use diesel fuel to start the engine, and then switch to the biodiesel, and make sure you switch back before shutting off. This may be with straight veggie oil only, but something to check though.

Now, why are your panties in such a fucking bunch?

You've been here how long and are now starting to complain about people being dicks in serious threads? Lighten up.
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I think it's a great idea for alternative fuel. It's just another thing to add on the to do list though, and it's difficult to have the room to handle all of the equipment.

I would go with the simplest system with everything else. I'm assuming a siphon pump would be simpler than a centrifugal system. I would use the most cost effective filter, because obviously a better filter will cost more money.

I'd use plastic drum, then you won't have to worry about rust. Not sure about the tank wrap.

Depending on how you refine it you may actually have to still use diesel fuel to start the engine, and then switch to the biodiesel, and make sure you switch back before shutting off. This may be with straight veggie oil only, but something to check though.

Now, why are your panties in such a fucking bunch?

You've been here how long and are now starting to complain about people being dicks in serious threads? Lighten up.
Biodiesel and WVO are two different things.

WVO needs to be warmed before running.
Biodiesel is equal to Dinodiesel for all intents and purposes outside of the Gel Point IIRC is a bit lower so an additive needs to be added.

If you go too cheap on filters than you will be replacing shit on the truck when it clogs instead.
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Biodiesel and WVO are two different things.

WVO needs to be warmed before running.
Biodiesel is equal to Dinodiesel for all intents and purposes outside of the Gel Point IIRC is a bit lower so an additive needs to be added.

If you go too cheap on filters than you will be replacing shit on the truck when it clogs instead.
Well obviously you wouldn't want to go cheap on filters, but I don't think you wanting to be spending huge amounts of money on the absolute best filter out there.

I thought it was the WVO that needed to be warmed and couldn't be used when the engine was started. Biodiesel does not need this correct?
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I think it's a great idea for alternative fuel. It's just another thing to add on the to do list though, and it's difficult to have the room to handle all of the equipment.

I would go with the simplest system with everything else. I'm assuming a siphon pump would be simpler than a centrifugal system. I would use the most cost effective filter, because obviously a better filter will cost more money.

I'd use plastic drum, then you won't have to worry about rust. Not sure about the tank wrap.

Depending on how you refine it you may actually have to still use diesel fuel to start the engine, and then switch to the biodiesel, and make sure you switch back before shutting off. This may be with straight veggie oil only, but something to check though.

Now, why are your panties in such a fucking bunch?

You've been here how long and are now starting to complain about people being dicks in serious threads? Lighten up.
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Well obviously you wouldn't want to go cheap on filters, but I don't think you wanting to be spending huge amounts of money on the absolute best filter out there.

I thought it was the WVO that needed to be warmed and couldn't be used when the engine was started. Biodiesel does not need this correct?
Correct, but read what you wrote above. You are talking about Biodiesel like it is WVO. Outside of a few questions on why he doesn't consider bio as an alternative, Skoots appears to have no interest in doing Bio at this time.

Skoots will be rolling around smelling of french fries and pickin up the chubby girls now
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Correct, but read what you wrote above. You are talking about Biodiesel like it is WVO. Outside of a few questions on why he doesn't consider bio as an alternative, Skoots appears to have no interest in doing Bio at this time.

Skoots will be rolling around smelling of french fries and pickin up the chubby girls now
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Well obviously you wouldn't want to go cheap on filters, but I don't think you wanting to be spending huge amounts of money on the absolute best filter out there.

I thought it was the WVO that needed to be warmed and couldn't be used when the engine was started. Biodiesel does not need this correct?
if you run wvo which is filtered fryer oil you have to start and stop running on diesel. The better systems have a feature that allows the engine to run for a few minutes and purge the whole fuel system of oil and replace it with diesel. Trying to start or stop on wvo will clog your whole system and you will be screwed.

Bio diesel is made from wvo, however with the addition of lye & methanol the molecular composition of the oil is transformed. The lye & methanol sepperates the glycerin, fats and other substances from the oil, changing the chemical bonds from oil to a fuel. Bio diesel can be ran in any unmodified diesel engine where wvo needs its own supplemental fuel system.

Neither system is cheap on startup, however i like wvo cause of its simplicity and lack of basic chemistry work and refinery equipment. Bio diesel will always require you to add methanol and lye for every batch you make, always in varied amounts due to the differences in the oils condition(the more the oil is used the more fats and other deposits get intermixed within the oil.
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if you run wvo which is filtered fryer oil you have to start and stop running on diesel. The better systems have a feature that allows the engine to run for a few minutes and purge the whole fuel system of oil and replace it with diesel. Trying to start or stop on wvo will clog your whole system and you will be screwed.

Bio diesel is made from wvo, however with the addition of lye & methanol the molecular composition of the oil is transformed. The lye & methanol sepperates the glycerin, fats and other substances from the oil, changing the chemical bonds from oil to a fuel. Bio diesel can be ran in any unmodified diesel engine where wvo needs its own supplemental fuel system.

Neither system is cheap on startup, however i like wvo cause of its simplicity and lack of basic chemistry work and refinery equipment. Bio diesel will always require you to add methanol and lye for every batch you make, always in varied amounts due to the differences in the oils condition(the more the oil is used the more fats and other deposits get intermixed within the oil.
Skoots,

Doesn't Bio also, in the northern states, also require you to add an additive to raise the gel point?
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Any place that cooks food commercially and has deep fryers also has tanks out back to dispose of the grease. They pay for the service so often you are able to get Waste Veggie oil from these places for free or possibly a small cost.

You can also use raw veggie oil, however it has been said that WVO is more efficient because the water content has already been 'cooked' out.


But how is the transaction handled? Does one walk up to the counter and ask the manager if one can siphon out the wvo tank? How often can you go back to the same establishment (how long to replenish)? Would a call to a district manager or something need to be arranged ahead of time?
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But how is the transaction handled? Does one walk up to the counter and ask the manager if one can siphon out the wvo tank? How often can you go back to the same establishment (how long to replenish)? Would a call to a district manager or something need to be arranged ahead of time?
actually you have to research what resturants use for their oil. Usually there are 2 kinds, hydrogenated and non hyrogenated. Non is oil thats always in a liquid form(like any basic vegtable oil). Hydrogenated is semi solid at room temp, think crisco or block lard. You dont wanna run hydrogenated cause it will congeal, non hydrogenated has a higher ability to say in a liquid form.

Usually you go up to a resturant, and ask them what they do with thier use oil, how often do they change it, what type they use...think of it as your recycling their waste for them, usually most establishments have to pay to get rid of their used oil. If you find the right places they might set the oil on the side for you, and they might pay you a little money for taking it off their hands if you use a good amount. This is what ive heard, until i buy the kit i wont start researching place's to get oil.
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Youu bought a diesel deal with the prices.
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Youu bought a diesel deal with the prices.
as an employee of a 4x4/truck shop your supposed to talk weak minded individuals into buying expensive things. Dont go into sales, you suck
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