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Old September 10th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #21
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Liberia is a country in Africa. The original plan of many people (including Lincoln) was to colonize Liberia with freed slaves. In fact, several thousand freed slaves were taken there.

Slavery was absolutely an issue, just not THE issue or the ONLY issue for the civil war.
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Old September 10th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #22
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Bruce...hopefully you don't really think I'm that dumb. I know slavery was an issue, but it wasn't the main one, and that's my main point. Besides, that proclamation didn't do shit as far as freeing slaves, and Lincoln had to know that it wouldn't. Heck, he didn't even make it apply to the boarder states, whom he wanted on his side!!! It was a purely political move, partially meant to dissuade the Europeans from the continuance of supporting the south. It was a PR tool, and Lincoln could probably have given half a dump if any slaves were freed by it or not.
No, but your suggestion that slavery wasnít a political issue until that would make it seem that way. The truth is that the Republican party, of which Lincoln was a member, had as one of itís founding principles the limiting of the expansion of slavery in the west, and many of the founding member were abolitionists. The election of Lincoln president was the final push for the southern states to succeed. Lincoln was opposed to slavery, and especially the expansion of it.
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Old September 10th, 2008, 10:12 AM   #23
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No, but your suggestion that slavery wasnít a political issue until that would make it seem that way. The truth is that the Republican party, of which Lincoln was a member, had as one of itís founding principles the limiting of the expansion of slavery in the west, and many of the founding member were abolitionists. The election of Lincoln president was the final push for the southern states to succeed. Lincoln was opposed to slavery, and especially the expansion of it.
Absolutely true. However, as mentioned before, many of those same people (Lincoln included) thought the best way to keep the Union in tact (recognizing that the slavery issue and Lincoln's election might be the final straw so to speak) was to develop a "colonization plan" for the freed slaves. Send them back to Liberia, Africa.

I think you are both correct in what you have written and agree on more than you disagree on. Slavery was an absolute issue in the succession of the south, but so was Lincoln being elected, and many other issues which the south felt was "imposed" upon them by the central federal government.

Many historians have quite successfully created the myth that slavery was THE issue that began the civil war. It was not. It was certainly a moral issue and even a dilemma for many Americans and had been for a very long time.

By the way, when the south refers to the civil war as "The war of Northern Agression" they are not only referring to the military devastation that the Union Army inflicted upon southern communities, they are referring to the manner in which the central federal government imposed policies and laws upon southern peoples that were in many cases, extremely unpopular. Like slavery issues.
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I think you are both correct in what you have written and agree on more than you disagree on.
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I have read the personal diaries of many Civil War soldiers. I have also read many stories written by Civil War soldiers after the war.

Union soldiers, for the most part were not fighting because they wanted to free Negroes. They were fighting to "save the Union". That meant, keeping the country "whole" not fractured. The slavery issue was there for sure. Many people on both sides felt that it was morally wrong. But, from the diaries that I have read that were written in battle DURING the war, many of the Union troops refer to saving the Union and seldom refer to slavery as a motivator for their duty.
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I have read the personal diaries of many Civil War soldiers. I have also read many stories written by Civil War soldiers after the war.

Union soldiers, for the most part were not fighting because they wanted to free Negroes. They were fighting to "save the Union". That meant, keeping the country "whole" not fractured. The slavery issue was there for sure. Many people on both sides felt that it was morally wrong. But, from the diaries that I have read that were written in battle DURING the war, many of the Union troops refer to saving the Union and seldom refer to slavery as a motivator for their duty.
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