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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:59 AM   #1
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Default We have to give back and support the Common Good!!!

Or at least that's what they kept saying at the fundraiser that I just got out of.

...I have some questions...

Aside from the fact that organizations are almost always crappier because a percentage of your donation has to go to supporting all of the overhead instead of 100% of your funds going to where they are needed, why should someone who has worked their ASCII off through school/work to earn the tiny little salary they are making be pressured to "give back" to the community and "Common Good"?

Give back to what?

My favorite part of the presentation was a story that a man from this organization told..."A family was without a home on Christmas and had to stay at a shelter. The organization let the family have access to this private room on Christmas Eve, so they could open their presents and have private family time. At the end of their time slot, the woman who was driving the family back to the shelter said that 'she wished she could have done more' for the family..." Holy Eff! She could have taken them in for the night! She had a HOUSE! but, since she's involved with this organization, she can simply dismiss her feeling of guilt by saying "Well, I wish I could have done more, but, because I am part of this organization, I've already done my part...so, even though I could do more...I don't have to inconvenience myself because I've passed the responsability/blame/etc to this organization."

Even an effin' Obama supporter was talking about how he wasn't going to donate! I tried to convince him that this "Common Good" was what his whole party was fighting for!!! Of anyone, he should be the flippin president of this organization!!!!!!!

...sorry if none of that made any sense...I'm in a rare mood today...[/RANT]

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Old August 15th, 2008, 10:33 AM   #2
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Yep, I'd have to agree. Sometimes Ithink I sould "give back" more but then hte republican in me comes out and I think "wait, I works to get where i am, why sould I give to someone else who hasn't. And I "give" enough in hte form of taxes.

It also bug me when I see these actors, musicians, athletes, and other rich dudes trying to tell me I should give more to the community. Sure, I could give 10% of my income to help others, and it might make a difference to a few people but I'd have to scale back my style of living. But if one of these rich dudes gave 10% it could make a difference to a whole lot of people and they'd probably never notice it missing.
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Yep, I'd have to agree. Sometimes Ithink I sould "give back" more but then hte republican in me comes out and I think "wait, I works to get where i am, why sould I give to someone else who hasn't. And I "give" enough in hte form of taxes.
Yet another good point that I forgot to mention...

This organization also mentioned that, for each dollar donated, they get to pull $1.28 out of the State of Michigan for healthcare for those who can't afford it.

I suppose you can all thank me because none of you will be donating any multiple of $1.28 from your taxes for a scaled-down form of universal healthcare because of me.
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"giving back" implies that what you have earned belonged to someone else and you should give it back to them; that nothing you have is really yours. It's a slap in the face to the individual's right to private property.

More communist ideals at work.
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I have some questions...

Aside from the fact that organizations are almost always crappier because a percentage of your donation has to go to supporting all of the overhead instead of 100% of your funds going to where they are needed...
I don't know that I agree with... by giving to a properly managed organization, you can ensure that your donation ends up doing what you intend it to do.

Also, in my opinion, certain levels of overhead are totally justifiable within a charitable giving organization because they should be able to pay appropriate salaries to attract qualified people.

Lastly, the private foundations and non-profit organizations have a lot more clout with politicians at all levels and are more likely to have the ability to effect policy chages that would help to further their cause.


Of course, I know there are a multitude of poorly run organizations out there accepting donations just as a way to generate inflated salaries for unqualified employees.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 12:16 PM   #6
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I had a feeling that you'd make it over here...

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I don't know that I agree with that... by giving to a properly managed organization, you can ensure that your donation ends up doing what you intend it to do.
Can you? Really?

Are you more sure of this than if you were to get out there and do something on your own?

If I want to mow a disabled person's lawn, should I pay the $10 in gas for the lanwmower/trip over to the house, or should I dump $250 into an organization that has to pay the lawn mowing company and the person who had to call the lawn mowing company and the person who is the boss of the person who had to call the lawn mowing company or the person who is the manager of the person who is the boss of the person who had to call the lawn mowing company...etc...

Oh, but I'm sure the lawn mowing company would be volunteers...so it'd only cost $200. But hey, the money I gave would go to the mowing of the lawn! ...and I don't even have to break out a sweat!!!

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Also, in my opinion, certain levels of overhead are totally justifiable within a charitable giving organization because they should be able to pay appropriate salaries to attract qualified people.
To do the jobs that we are too lazy to do ourselves?

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Lastly, the private foundations and non-profit organizations have a lot more clout with politicians at all levels and are more likely to have the ability to effect policy chages that would help to further their cause.
Oh, the government. I'll leave this one alone.


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Of course, I know there are a multitude of poorly run organizations out there accepting donations just as a way to generate inflated salaries for unqualified employees.
Understatement of the year.
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I'm with ya Jim . . . If I want to help something, I don't want to pay someone else to decide who my money gets to help. If I have some dollars that I feel like giving to a good cause . . . I put it in a gas tank to bring some high school kids to a wrestling camp. My volunteer time is spent coaching, for free. Many many hours a week. And I'm suppose to be forced to "give back" Shit, I'm going to give back to an organization that teaches hard work and responsibility, that I feel like I should help. Not some bullshit feel good thing that someone invented for whatever reason . . .

ok, enough. I can't spend too much time reading/discussing politics. I get too angry.
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Yep, I'd have to agree. Sometimes Ithink I sould "give back" more but then hte republican in me comes out and I think "wait, I works to get where i am, why sould I give to someone else who hasn't. And I "give" enough in hte form of taxes.

It also bug me when I see these actors, musicians, athletes, and other rich dudes trying to tell me I should give more to the community. Sure, I could give 10% of my income to help others, and it might make a difference to a few people but I'd have to scale back my style of living. But if one of these rich dudes gave 10% it could make a difference to a whole lot of people and they'd probably never notice it missing.


Nice!!! The part you forgot was that in a democrat senario the Athelete, Musician, Actor, or other rich person would be required to give a disproportionate pecentage of their income.

Did I say democrat or communist?


No matter they are one in the same.
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Wait, are you up in arms because you are are frugal or because someone was giving?

I am cool with giving back, but I am not going to do it for the "common good", I am going to do it because Jesus taught us to. But specifically, Jesus has instructed us to care for those who's support system has been taken away from them (ie, widows and orphans). God never told us to care for people who have plenty of recources and to do so at random. Instead we are to help the widow who's husband (who had resources to support his family) has died and the money in savings has dried up. Or the children who's parents died and now they are facing homelessness and starvation as a result.

I don't like to donate money to organizations, or "causes" at random, I like to help a specific person or a specific group of people.
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I will donate to random things when I agree with the cause and someone I know is involved (The walk BioBill does, Relay for life, etc).

The pressure sometimes given from society to help out via an overgrown organization is too an annoyance of mine.

This reminds me to thank Santa Bear for the work he does during christmas time.
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I don't "give back"; I donate, and mostly to animal causes (donating blood is the exception).

Humans can be resourceful enough to take the aid that is present and some elbow grease to survive.
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Wait, are you up in arms because you are are frugal or because someone was giving?
Sounds like Jim is upset at the hypocrisy in the system and the underlying pressure / righteous pinko commie B.S. to give or "you're a piece of uncaring shit".
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Wait, are you up in arms because you are are frugal or because someone was giving?

I am cool with giving back, but I am not going to do it for the "common good", I am going to do it because Jesus taught us to. But specifically, Jesus has instructed us to care for those who's support system has been taken away from them (ie, widows and orphans). God never told us to care for people who have plenty of recources and to do so at random. Instead we are to help the widow who's husband (who had resources to support his family) has died and the money in savings has dried up. Or the children who's parents died and now they are facing homelessness and starvation as a result.

I don't like to donate money to organizations, or "causes" at random, I like to help a specific person or a specific group of people.
Right...Jesus told US to go out and help others...ourselves...in person... Not to sit on our behinds and just give a small little donation to a bigger organization and call that "doing our part", but enough about my political beliefs...

Scooter was correct.

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The walk BioBill does
I believe it's called a "Pimp Strut"
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Right...Jesus told US to go out and help others...ourselves...in person... Not to sit on our behinds and just give a small little donation to a bigger organization and call that "doing our part", but enough about my political beliefs...

Scooter was correct.



I believe it's called a "Pimp Strut"


I think it is the MS walk. I could be mistaken.
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I think it is the MS walk. I could be mistaken.


Wow...I really couldn't have planned that better...

Dave...Am I going to hell if that was just coincidence?

kthnx.

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we donate to veterans and to animal shelters. once people start getting handouts they become lazy. there are seldom any exceptions. why i should work even harder and give that extra away to someone who doesn't try.? again this is not in regards to those who legitimately fell on hard times and are working hard to over come but still could use a hand.
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[QUOTE=ScOoTeR;1245527]I don't "give back"; I donate, and mostly to animal causes




I donate to animal causes as well.

Lone Star is one of my favorite, all the states that require hunting licenses, tickets to the bullfights in Mexico, the fund to legalize dog fighting.
You know the typical run of the mill thing.
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I donate to animal causes as well.

Lone Star is one of my favorite, all the states that require hunting licenses, tickets to the bullfights in Mexico, the fund to legalize dog fighting.
You know the typical run of the mill thing.
You forgot the "Cock Fund".
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Dave...Am I going to hell?
naw dawg, you're staight up into heaven. I just double-checked, no worries
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