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Old August 7th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #1
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Angry The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030702846.html (not to mention how many US soldiers and innocent civilians died)
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For those that bitched about the cost of Hillarycare, why aren't you bitching about the cost of the Iraq war.
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For those that bitched about the cost of Hillarycare, why aren't you bitching about the cost of the Iraq war.
Iraq war has at least some chance to have a good impact on the world.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 11:33 AM   #3
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Not to mention all the pork that was included in that $3 trillion number that had nothing to do with the war at all.

$3 trillion = one time cost, improved security, more freedom (in Iraq).

Hillary care = increasing cost for all eternity, worse health care, and less individual freedom.

You can't even compare the two. apples and oranges.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 11:34 AM   #4
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Except that Hillary care would help some people in the USA while the Iraq war helps no one in the USA
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Because socialized healthcare will really fukc things up and make things worse.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030702846.html (not to mention how many US soldiers and innocent civilians died)
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Sen. Hillary Clinton Unveils $110 Billion Universal Health Care Plan
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296997,00.html


For those that bitched about the cost of Hillarycare, why aren't you bitching about the cost of the Iraq war.

A spark plug cost $1.19

An iphone cost $299.00



These have the same things in common as the two things you compared with this thread.
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You are asking this question to a bunch of people who cannot use proper spelling and grammar, much less read and understand a health care plan. Of course they are going to think war is a better expediture of currency over health care, they understand the basic premise of war, they do not understand why our health care system is in the shape that it is in.
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Except that Hillary care would help some people in the USA while the Iraq war helps no one in the USA
oh really?
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You are asking this question to a bunch of people who cannot use proper spelling and grammar, much less read and understand a health care plan. Of course they are going to think war is a better expediture of currency over health care, they understand the basic premise of war, they do not understand why our health care system is in the shape that it is in.
Keep flattering yourself.

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You are asking this question to a bunch of people who cannot use proper spelling and grammar, much less read and understand a health care plan. Of course they are going to think war is a better expediture of currency over health care, they understand the basic premise of war, they do not understand why our health care system is in the shape that it is in.
lets sit down one night and play jeopardy for $20.00 a question.
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Let's see how many who have good health care now that actually work for it, like it when they have to get in line with everybody else for their care.

I'm a little fed up with this "let's level the playing field crap" society.........

I know there are hard working people just getting by with no health care, but tired of seeing all these people hanging out on the corner all day too........

I'll support the war over universal health care
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You are asking this question to a bunch of people who cannot use proper spelling and grammar, much less read and understand a health care plan. Of course they are going to think war is a better expediture of currency over health care, they understand the basic premise of war, they do not understand why our health care system is in the shape that it is in.
Boy, this guy is a moron...
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Except that Hillary care would help some people in the USA while the Iraq war helps no one in the USA
Except for keeping you safe and allowing your children to enjoy freedom.
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Boy, this guy is a moron...
I didn't want to call names.
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Of course they are going to think war is a better expediture of currency over health care, they understand the basic premise of war, they do not understand why our health care system is in the shape that it is in.
So can you explain what is wrong with our healthcare system and what is causing the current price increases we are seeing? I bet you can't!

If you could, you would realize that universal healthcare is not the solution (actually far from it and only adding to the problem), but rather tort reform is a large peice of the solution. Not to mention removing mandates that the dems have been forcing insurers to follow. These mandates have caused the price of healthcare to shoot through the roof which is also affecting the number of people who can afford insurance.

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http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/05/...h-care-record/

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I like torts, Cherries my favorite

Let's not forget the "free healthcare" for illegals, I wonder who pays for that? Maybe our universal coverage will cover it.....
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Keep flattering yourself.
That is an answer I would expect from someone like Mr. Toes. No substance, no point to be made. I happen to work in the health care field, so I would say that I have a better handle on what goes on in a hospital than approximately 98% of this board. As such, I have first hand knowledge of the processes that are at work in our health care system. I dont expect a person who does not know how to speak or spell correctly to understand this type of thing.

To answer 87YJs question above, the main problem is uninsured patients. These people come to the hospy, and go to the ER because that is the ONLY place they can get care. That is why the average ER wait before being seen by a doctor is over 1 hour now. These patients cannot afford the treatment they receive (which is often just a cold or something of that nature, but they are too uneducated to know that before coming in) and do not pay. These costs are absorbed by the hospital which then has to pass those costs along to the paying patients therefore INFLATING PRICES. In addition, Medicare/aid does not pay the practitioner 100% of their bill, causing a loss for every doctor that accepts these patients. Doctors wills top accepting Medicare/aid patients at a certain critical mass that they decide is right for them.

Hows that for an intelligent answer based on facts Mr Kartracer?

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I never said universal health care was the answer, just that people who dont know how to spell wouldnt understand what is in the plan anyways.

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lets sit down one night and play jeopardy for $20.00 a question.

I would love to play you at Jeopardy CC. For what it is worth, I think you are one of the most intelligent people on here (Along with Duffman, Scooter and Bones). You tend to do research on a subject before posting it and you usually have some sort of a reference to back up your posts.
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So those who can pay more in taxes should pay for insurance for the uneducated folks who go to the Dr. for a common cold? Yeah, I'm a little harsh, but tired of the BS I see going on in the gov. these days........

Sounds like an education issue versus a health insurance issue?
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Boy, this guy is a moron...
Very insightful post. Please elaborate. Would you trust someone who cannot spell or use proper grammar to draft a new healthcare plan? Would you trsut that same person to draft a war strategy? Would YOU want someone who is too lazy to use spellcheck to teach your children subjects in school? I hope not, if so, YOU Sir, are the moron. And that is my point, not that universal health care is good.
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