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Old July 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default If Iraqis want U.S. troops to leave, what will McCain say?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...ll-mccain-say/



Now that a growing number of top Iraqi officials are talking openly about a timeline for U.S. troop withdrawal, it’s worth taking a moment to consider how this might factor into John McCain’s vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence.

As luck would have it, McCain was asked about this kind of scenario at the Council of Foreign Relations in 2004, and gave a very straightforward answer.

Question: “What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?”

McCain’s Answer: “Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it’s obvious that we would have to leave because — if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we’ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don’t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.” [emphasis added]

Adam Blickstein asked, “Does the John McCain of 2008 agree with this assessment?” Sounds like the kind of question an enterprising political reporter might pose to the Republican candidate.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #2
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Yes, because four years ago EVERYTHING was identical to things today.
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fuck the Iraqi's. we invested billions in their little shithole, we will stay until we are sure the investment will pay out.
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I think we should leave now. The only reason I felt that the troops should have stayed was to fix what we broke, but if they want us gone we should go. Otherwise we are just pissing off more people.
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We need to finish what we started. That's all. When it is done to our liking, or at least to the point that we can be sure it will go in the right direction, then we can leave.

We don't need to end up back there in ten more years again.
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We need to finish what we started. That's all. When it is done to our liking, or at least to the point that we can be sure it will go in the right direction, then we can leave.

We don't need to end up back there in ten more years again.
McCain said we could be there for another 100 years.
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McCain said we could be there for another 100 years.
On and off, we will probably be in the middle east for ever.
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On and off, we will probably be in the middle east for ever.
assuming we dont go down in a fiery inferno with kunta kinte Hussein Obama at the wheel.
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McCain said we could be there for another 100 years.
Ever consider that a statement is being stretched?

Seriously. We are still involved with countries that we fought decades ago. So will we be in Iraq in 100 years? Possibly assuming we are all still here. Did he say that he would still have the brunt of the US forces there in 100 years. NO
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McCain said we could be there for another 100 years.
We've been in Japan and Germany ever since WWII, just not under conflict. I think you're taking that as if military presence is there, it means there's a conflict which isn't true.

The Middle East is the most FUBAR area of the world. They've been fighting for decades, even centuries. To fix the problem, it isn't going to be done in a few years as we've found out.
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McCain said we could be there for another 100 years.
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Take a look at what McCain actually said in Derry, N.H., back in January. Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

That isn't exactly a "vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence." is it?

Your source for news sucks, please stop quoting crooksandliars.


Read what really going on with troop withdrawl from a real news source.....

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1215...w_and_outlooks

The significant question now is the pace and extent of any U.S. withdrawal, and the nature of any long-term U.S. military presence. Despite Mr. Maliki's comments, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie was quick to add that the call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal was "conditioned on the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security," according to the Associated Press. In other words, Mr. Maliki is not endorsing the Barack Obama agenda of immediate U.S. withdrawal starting on January 20.

Come on Mike this isn't even a challenge, you can do better.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:16 PM   #12
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Take a look at what McCain actually said in Derry, N.H., back in January. Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

That isn't exactly a "vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence." is it?

Your source for news sucks, please stop quoting crooksandliars.


Read what really going on with troop withdrawl from a real news source.....

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1215...w_and_outlooks

The significant question now is the pace and extent of any U.S. withdrawal, and the nature of any long-term U.S. military presence. Despite Mr. Maliki's comments, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie was quick to add that the call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal was "conditioned on the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security," according to the Associated Press. In other words, Mr. Maliki is not endorsing the Barack Obama agenda of immediate U.S. withdrawal starting on January 20.

Come on Mike this isn't even a challenge, you can do better.

100 years is 100 years. You say that we have been in Germany, Japan, etc. since WW2, but there isn't and wasn't the same hostility towards our troops after that war. There is much hostility towards us now in the middle east and I guarantee there will be 50 years from now. There are just some people you can't reach, and extreme religous people fit that mold. Based on the historical violence in that area, if we stay there, there will always be violence aimed at us. just my opinion.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #13
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...0year_war.html

Take a look at what McCain actually said in Derry, N.H., back in January. Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

That isn't exactly a "vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence." is it?

Your source for news sucks, please stop quoting crooksandliars.


Read what really going on with troop withdrawl from a real news source.....

Source:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1215...w_and_outlooks

The significant question now is the pace and extent of any U.S. withdrawal, and the nature of any long-term U.S. military presence. Despite Mr. Maliki's comments, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie was quick to add that the call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal was "conditioned on the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security," according to the Associated Press. In other words, Mr. Maliki is not endorsing the Barack Obama agenda of immediate U.S. withdrawal starting on January 20.

Come on Mike this isn't even a challenge, you can do better.

P.S. was the quote from C&L innaccurate? what was the problem?
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Old July 10th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #14
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P.S. was the quote from C&L innaccurate? what was the problem?
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I didn't realize that the Iraqi leaders wanted us out so bad. I think if they want us to leave we should leave.
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The Middle East is the most FUBAR area of the world. They've been fighting for decades, even centuries. To fix the problem, it isn't going to be done in a few years as we've found out.
Try millennium.

And if it took the Iraq war for us to figure out that we couldn't fix their problems in a few years we must be the dumbest people on the planet.

I could have saved us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars by tell everyone that many years ago. It didn't take a war to figure it out.
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Try millennium.

And if it took the Iraq war for us to figure out that we couldn't fix their problems in a few years we must be the dumbest people on the planet.

I could have saved us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars by tell everyone that many years ago. It didn't take a war to figure it out.
If we evacuated every major city in the US, it could save "thousands of lives" also.
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P.S. was the quote from C&L innaccurate? what was the problem?
Actually they didn't quote the 100 year comment directly, that's part of the problem, the spin. they said.....

".....it’s worth taking a moment to consider how this might factor into John McCain’s vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence."

Which is clearly not his vision when you read the actual quote in context.

If you want to make McCain look bad there are a lot better ways, like talking about his speech this week, where he said he is still for comprehensive immigration reform. That is a real problem facing this country and he is on the wrong side of the issue, 85% of America said no to McCain/Feingold and he still thinks it's a good idea. Pander... pander... pander...

When we leave Iraq is a distraction to the big issues of this election. The war is won, our troops will go home when they are asked to go home by the Iraqi Government. They will do it proudly, with a victory in their pocket, and the free people of Iraq as a new ally in the world.

Maliki is talking about a time line now for two reasons, one, he is playing politics in Iraq, and two, Bush is pushing him to commit before the election here.
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If we evacuated every major city in the US, it could save "thousands of lives" also.
OK. Not sure what you're trying to say but , OK.
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You can not maintain an empire by letting sovereign nations have a say.
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