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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #1
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Do you have a problem with the Webb-Hagel 21st Century GI Bill?

Don't you think McCain should support this? Doesn't he want to support the troops?

http://georgemiller.house.gov/gibill.html
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Old May 20th, 2008, 11:16 AM   #2
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Don't you think McCain should support this? Doesn't he want to support the troops?

http://georgemiller.house.gov/gibill.html
Does he support it?

It'd be better if they funded it by cutting spending somewhere else instead of raising taxes. I also wonder how much pork will be added to this bill.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 11:20 AM   #3
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Does he support it?

It'd be better if they funded it by cutting spending somewhere else instead of raising taxes. I also wonder how much pork will be added to this bill.
he has his own versions that has WAAYYYYYYY less benefits and can only be taken advantage of after 15 years of service.

the 1/2% tax on people who make over a million dollars, is that really that big of a deal?
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 01:55 PM   #4
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he has his own versions that has WAAYYYYYYY less benefits and can only be taken advantage of after 15 years of service.

the 1/2% tax on people who make over a million dollars, is that really that big of a deal?
Notice the silence after such a profound response........
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 02:02 PM   #5
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Notice the silence after such a profound response........



I like that GI bill. . . it has improvements that bennifit the society of today and GI's serve their country and this is the least their country and give back in a way of thanks
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 02:03 PM   #6
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 09:18 PM   #7
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the bill passed despite Bush/McCain's objections to it! Great day for veterans!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...m-mccain-bush/
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 09:42 PM   #8
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It sounds good, but as usual you have only posted links to one side of the argument.

Before I pass judgment I'd want to know WHY Bush and McCain don't support this.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 09:52 PM   #9
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It sounds good, but as usual you have only posted links to one side of the argument.

Before I pass judgment I'd want to know WHY Bush and McCain don't support this.
i believe it was the 1/2% tax issue and it doesn't force people to become career soldiers to receive the benefits.

I posted the bill, i don't think that is one side or the other, and i just posted an article from C&L about how it passed. feel free to find out why McCain opposed it. I think those two I listed were the major ones.
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i believe it was the 1/2% tax issue and it doesn't force people to become career soldiers to receive the benefits.

I posted the bill, i don't think that is one side or the other, and i just posted an article from C&L about how it passed. feel free to find out why McCain opposed it. I think those two I listed were the major ones.
No, you posted a link to a summery of the bill on a web site of a senator who supports it. That is not the bill.

I'm still trying to find the actual text of the bill, and an actual quote from Bush or McCain regarding it.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 10:38 PM   #11
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“I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did,” McCain said in a written statement.

The Arizona senator has never said that he does not support the bill because it is “too generous.” He has stated concerns that offering education benefits as early as the Webb bill allows would discourage people from re-enlisting. That contention was supported in a Congressional Budget Office report released a couple weeks ago that stated Webb’s bill could cut retention rates by 16 percent.

“It would be easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation. More importantly, I feel just as he does, that we owe veterans the respect and generosity of a great nation because no matter how generously we show our gratitude it will never compensate them fully for all the sacrifices they have borne on our behalf,” McCain said in his statement.

“Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as president, the country would regret his election,” he said.
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 07:03 AM   #12
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Dont we have retention problems now? We dont treat our veterans the way we should, they risk their lives for us. At the risk of being labeled a "liberal" by some, I dont mind paying a little extra to make sure our men and women of the armed services are taken care of upon their return to America.
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 08:16 AM   #13
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Dont we have retention problems now? We dont treat our veterans the way we should, they risk their lives for us. At the risk of being labeled a "liberal" by some, I dont mind paying a little extra to make sure our men and women of the armed services are taken care of upon their return to America.
I certainly would rather see my tax dollars benefiting those who have served, vs. the executives at most of the defense contractors golden parachutes...

Putting myself in the shoes of those who are serving, I would think retention rates are falling for a variety of reasons - among them this country's habit of attempting to police the world and utilize strong-arm foreign policy.

From what I have read about this particular subject matter, I have to say I love the old codger's written statement vs. the jockeying that Obama attempted to do...
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