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Old April 21st, 2008, 12:56 PM   #1
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April 21, 2008
Clinton's primary campaign begins April in debt
Posted: 01:21 PM ET
Hillary Clinton began the month with $10 million in debt.

(CNN) – Hillary Clinton began one of the most crucial stretches of her presidential campaign in debt, newly disclosed financial reports show.

According to campaign reports filed with the Federal Election Commission over the weekend, the New York senator began the month of April with close to $32 million cash-on hand. But only $9 million of that total are funds that are able to be spent in the primary races. The report also showed Clinton owes more than $10 million, meaning the Democratic presidential candidate was in the red even before she heavily stepped up television advertising in Pennsylvania.

"The numbers are what they are," Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson said on a conference call with reporters. "The money continues to come in strongly. We had a very good month last month of fundraising…we are continuing to have a good month this month."

We will of course be honoring the debt in the coming weeks and months," he also said.

The newly released reports offer the clearest picture to date of just how much of an advantage Barack Obama holds over Clinton heading into the final stretch of the prolonged Democratic race for the White House.

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Candidates to appear on Monday Night Raw
Posted: 01:00 PM ET

(CNN) – The road to the White House apparently runs through WWE Monday Night Raw.

All three presidential candidates are scheduled to make taped appearances on tonight's episode, hoping to tap into the show's approximately 5 million weekly viewers. The messages will also come on the eve of the crucial Democratic presidential primary in Pennsylvania.

WWE says the appearances follow an invitation both Clinton and Obama to appear live on the show to settle the prolonged Democratic presidential race in the wrestling ring. This is not the first time the WWE has waded into politics: it unsuccessfully challenged Al Gore and George Bush to agree to an arm wrestling match in 2000. It has also launched a voter registration drive called Smackdown Your Vote

From: CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton • John McCain



Ladies and Gentlemen...I bring you, the future of America.

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I understand that Barack Obama has run his campaign without accepting any special interest financing. Apparently he's had, like.... A million or something donations that were just personal checks from everyday people.

He was talking about it at the Pensylvania primary the other night about not accepting any money from the lobbyists for his campaign, so if he's elected he'll owe nothing to anyone but us. Interesting..... I wonder if it's true?
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I understand that Barack Obama has run his campaign without accepting any special interest financing. Apparently he's had, like.... A million or something donations that were just personal checks from everyday people.

He was talking about it at the Pensylvania primary the other night about not accepting any money from the lobbyists for his campaign, so if he's elected he'll owe nothing to anyone but us. Interesting..... I wonder if it's true?
Wutevs.

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I understand that Barack Obama has run his campaign without accepting any special interest financing. Apparently he's had, like.... A million or something donations that were just personal checks from everyday people.

He was talking about it at the Pensylvania primary the other night about not accepting any money from the lobbyists for his campaign, so if he's elected he'll owe nothing to anyone but us. Interesting..... I wonder if it's true?
Again, it's not true.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...oil_spill.html

You should have known it was a lie, after all it came out of a politician's mouth.

You drank the Kool-aid didn't you?
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Again, it's not true.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...oil_spill.html

You should have known it was a lie, after all it came out of a politician's mouth.

You drank the Kool-aid didn't you?
Thanks for the link. Good article. It would have been better had it included what everyone is getting, not just Obama. For example:

http://oilmoney.priceofoil.org/federalRaceGraph.php

Obviously, Giuliani is a whore. McCain is not much better. Worse than Obama.

Still... I will respond to the Obama part of it:

From the article: "It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work The corporation I work for employs thousands of lobbyists. Does that mean that if I donate to Obama he owes my employer some loyalty? That is a bit of a stretch.. And some of his bigger fundraisers were registered lobbyists until they signed on with the Obama campaign. Note that they don't say who they lobbied for, but nonetheless, lobbying is a sales job just like any other. You sell ABC widget today, you sell Acme widget next week. Both competing interests, but your job is the same. There are ads on monster.com and careerbuilder.com all the time for lobbyists. Anyone with some corporate sales experience can apply and probably get the job. Those that get RECRUITED are another matter. They don't get recruited for their BELIEFS, but for their ability to SELL (persuade)."

My late wife and I disagreed completely on politics. She and I did opposite things across the board when it came to politics. Unless the spouse's contribution came with a note saying "My husband works for Exxon, so you need to show him loyalty", I don't see how the donors relation to an oil company employee is substantive. I'm sure it's true, but how much value can you really put on it?

G.W. Bush has Condoleeza Rice, former Chevron executive with a suppertanker named after her, and Dick Cheney, former CEO of Haliburton, the corporation currently under investigation for huge mismanagement of contracts and funds, on his staff, but you make no mention of those conflicts of interest. I could go on, but you should get my point.

Should Obama's staff go through every check that comes in and find out the donors entire family tree and reject any that might be questionable? I work for a multinational corporation (the worlds largest in its industry) with loyalties to multiple policymakers and foreign regimes with whom I disagree, and I continue to support that with which I agree. If I send a check to Obama, does he now (by the article's logic) owe loyalty to my employer? I think not.

The article said it was "splitting hairs", so I don't see how that is drinking the Kool-aid. That seems like a rather extreme statement on your part, but I won't take offense to it. I would, however, invite you to present a list of what all the candidates are getting and who they are getting it from and then we talk about who owes whom...... I'm ready when you are.
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Thanks for the link. Good article. It would have been better had it included what everyone is getting, not just Obama. For example:

http://oilmoney.priceofoil.org/federalRaceGraph.php

Obviously, Giuliani is a whore. McCain is not much better. Worse than Obama.

Still... I will respond to the Obama part of it:

From the article: "It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work The corporation I work for employs thousands of lobbyists. Does that mean that if I donate to Obama he owes my employer some loyalty? That is a bit of a stretch.. And some of his bigger fundraisers were registered lobbyists until they signed on with the Obama campaign. Note that they don't say who they lobbied for, but nonetheless, lobbying is a sales job just like any other. You sell ABC widget today, you sell Acme widget next week. Both competing interests, but your job is the same. There are ads on monster.com and careerbuilder.com all the time for lobbyists. Anyone with some corporate sales experience can apply and probably get the job. Those that get RECRUITED are another matter. They don't get recruited for their BELIEFS, but for their ability to SELL (persuade)."

My late wife and I disagreed completely on politics. She and I did opposite things across the board when it came to politics. Unless the spouse's contribution came with a note saying "My husband works for Exxon, so you need to show him loyalty", I don't see how the donors relation to an oil company employee is substantive. I'm sure it's true, but how much value can you really put on it?

G.W. Bush has Condoleeza Rice, former Chevron executive with a suppertanker named after her, and Dick Cheney, former CEO of Haliburton, the corporation currently under investigation for huge mismanagement of contracts and funds, on his staff, but you make no mention of those conflicts of interest. I could go on, but you should get my point..
I didn't mention them because.....

1) None of them are running for president and we aren't talking about them we are talking about Obama.

2) Gw never claimed to not take money from big oil, that was Obama.


Look conflicts of interest are the standard in politics, I don't expect Obama to be any different. It's only when he claims that he is different when in fact he is not any different, that's when I have a problem and that is what this is about.

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Should Obama's staff go through every check that comes in and find out the donors entire family tree and reject any that might be questionable? I work for a multinational corporation (the worlds largest in its industry) with loyalties to multiple policymakers and foreign regimes with whom I disagree, and I continue to support that with which I agree. If I send a check to Obama, does he now (by the article's logic) owe loyalty to my employer? I think not.

The article said it was "splitting hairs", so I don't see how that is drinking the Kool-aid. That seems like a rather extreme statement on your part, but I won't take offense to it. I would, however, invite you to present a list of what all the candidates are getting and who they are getting it from and then we talk about who owes whom...... I'm ready when you are.
If you honestly believe that he was unaware that major oil company executives were giving his campaign large sums of money, then yes, I think you are drinking the kool-aid.

AFAIK, none of the other candidates have made the claim of not taking money from big oil so I don't see the point of giving you a list of who else owes what to whom. It won't make Obama's lie become the truth, but you're right in that they all owe something to someone.

The point is that Obama said he didn't take money from big oil and he did. That makes him a liar. He claims to be a different type of candidate, but he is no different.
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