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Old April 12th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #261
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When he picked them up they didn't look like that. Well...the brackets didn't. He got home, they didn't fit right. He took them back and they mounted them for him. He came by my house. I looked them over and pointed out the stuff. James isn't a fabricator so he really didn't know the welds and bolts and stuff were no good.
You don't need to be a fab guy to see that it's all messed up. Atleast JP gave him his money back and tried to fix there mastake.
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Old April 12th, 2008, 03:04 PM   #262
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wow.

That has Chinese quality written all over it.
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Old April 12th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #263
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Atleast JP gave him his money back and tried to fix there mastake.
Seems like they should also pay to replace the part of his Jeep that they cut off.
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Well james. i see you have no idea what you are talking about here. That xj never leaves the road. He plans to do tie ins and many other things once it is paid off.
So JPFab charges more $$ just to make something that is safe? So, say that XJ gets sold, new owner assumes since there are tow points on it, that you can use it for recovery only to get the bumper torn completely off the front end possibly killing someone in the process.

Nice.

Ever consider not putting tow points on it unless the frame tie-ins are done??

I'm commenting now because I see the pictures....
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Those pictures really tell a story. When the bumpers were returned to the shop the first time, the shop should have responded: "I'm sorry sir, but we really screwed the pooch on those. We will take the bumpers back, make sure all welds are sound with proper penetration and if not then grind them out and re do them. We'll cut the incorrect mounting pads off, make new mounting pads that fit the vehicle, mount them to the bumper correctly and make it fit right. Or, if you prefer, you can have ALL your money back right now and we are sorry for the inconvenience."

As WR said, everybody screws up, its how you deal with it that counts. Poorly made bumper, shit happens. "Fixing" the problem by hacking bumper mounts and hacking the CUSTOMER'S VEHICLE, thats a disgrace! Bickering with customer on the web and not taking the time to get your facts straight (like the purchase price), is just dumb. To negotiate a price for a product and then use that as an excuse for less than normal quality, is a poor business practice. Its really pretty simple, a business either makes quality products or they don't.
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You are absolutely correct. From what I've seen and heard on this thread, the screwed up part was the exception, not the rule as far as what these guys can produce. I guarantee that they will never (and I repeat never) let a sub-standard part leave their shop again.
From my point of view, this company is taking away business from other companies that CARE about the product they put out. In my opinion, the worst product a company produces should be the product that the company is judged by.

If this was made by someone without a name attached, more slack could be given simply because its not something they do for a living. Sure, hassling would ensue, but for a DIY builder it could pass as usable. The whole not fitting thing overlooked as you wouldn't expect fixtures to be used. Unsafe? Yes. Fixable? Yes.

Now, with a company name attached, this is shit. Shit. No other word works. Low grade bolts....zero tie-ins with minimal welds on recovery points... compromised mounting points....generally piss poor welds..... Now what really is funny is that JPFab makes it and can't even get it to fit a vehicle they made it for!! Then torching up customers vehicle to fit their shit on it! Amazing!

Anybody that handles work that way doesn't deserve to be doing it. I'm commenting now because of pics posted, so there aren't any he says, she says. Also because people aught to know this company considered this "good" enough to ship. We need a vendors section for craptastic vendors or problems....?

What would have been better? JPFab was 1 week late on delivering a kickass bumper or JPFab made a pisspoor bumper quick that killed a small child?

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Old April 12th, 2008, 05:24 PM   #267
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Couldn't say it better Lucas.
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Seriously. Hacking up the rear crossmember to get the shitty bumpers to fit is absolutely ridiculous. I'd be pissed.

If you don't have a jig to build XJ bumpers, don't build XJ bumpers, it's that simple. Stick to what you KNOW you can do, don't just try thing because you THINK you can. I'd be very leary to pull from those d-ring mounts on the front, there isn't much weld surface area there, although the one weld we can see isn't too bad. But 2" of weld per side certainly isn't enough for me to trust my life with.
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Nosilla PM'd me and said the bumper money was refunded.

I'm sure all partys have now learned a lesson! No need for this to continue.
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Evidently James paid via paypal which was an instant transaction, and he is still waiting for money orders to clear, so he requested that this be opened until he actually has his money.
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You've got to be kidding. With producing a crappy product like that, they should have hand delivered cash to his door.

Wait a minute, didn't they take the bumpers back? He gave them the bumpers without cash in hand? Why didn't they pay him on the spot?
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Old April 13th, 2008, 09:11 AM   #273
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Old April 13th, 2008, 09:23 AM   #274
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a MO is backed by cash, maybe they wanted a receipt in case XJ-James trys to pull a "They never payed me" scam.
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are you all the same people who worked on deaners jeep
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I thought money orders were just like cash if you took them to a bank? Seems like a long time to clear but they should be ok.
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dear god people you dont know the story we havent wanted to feed into this bullshit we welded with arc and then ground the surface and did a face weld so it doesnt look as pretty but it is strong he was made clear upon ordering these that they were going to mount to the stock locations the clevis mounts arc thru the whole depth of the bumper and welded on the front and the rear with 7013 arc welding rod then lightly ground down and welded with a lighter duty mig welder for a nicer looking weld that diddnt look as nice as i would have liked it to we agreed that the mounting wholes diddnt line up and planned on fixing it properly at 10 am in the morning he was like 2 hours late and drove pretty far to get to us we also have other customers and one was on his way to pick up some rock sliders from a further distance he was unreachable for us to have him come a different day and we were not completely finished with his . we were rush at this point we were also not supposed to be supplying the bolts for installation yes we cut the sheet metal under the mounts for the bumper in the rear it is not structural THIS BUMPER IN NO WAY WAS GOING TO COME OFF UNLESS THE UNIBODY RIPPED OFF THE JEEP WITH IT
as for jp fab killing small children come on people i only want to kill tree hugging hippies and terrorists
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this looks a bit hillbilly whats up with the edge along the door
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dear god people you dont know the story we havent wanted to feed into this bullshit we welded with arc and then ground the surface and did a face weld so it doesnt look as pretty but it is strong he was made clear upon ordering these that they were going to mount to the stock locations the clevis mounts arc thru the whole depth of the bumper and welded on the front and the rear with 7013 arc welding rod then lightly ground down and welded with a lighter duty mig welder for a nicer looking weld that diddnt look as nice as i would have liked it to we agreed that the mounting wholes diddnt line up and planned on fixing it properly at 10 am in the morning he was like 2 hours late and drove pretty far to get to us we also have other customers and one was on his way to pick up some rock sliders from a further distance he was unreachable for us to have him come a different day and we were not completely finished with his . we were rush at this point we were also not supposed to be supplying the bolts for installation yes we cut the sheet metal under the mounts for the bumper in the rear it is not structural THIS BUMPER IN NO WAY WAS GOING TO COME OFF UNLESS THE UNIBODY RIPPED OFF THE JEEP WITH IT
as for jp fab killing small children come on people i only want to kill tree hugging hippies and terrorists
You should NEVER have to make excuses for a weld. If it looks like shit it is shit. Some can even look nice but be shit. Those looked like and are shit. You need a real mig or get someone who can stick weld if your going to go that route.
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dear god people you dont know the story we havent wanted to feed into this bullshit we welded with arc and then ground the surface and did a face weld so it doesnt look as pretty but it is strong he was made clear upon ordering these that they were going to mount to the stock locations the clevis mounts arc thru the whole depth of the bumper and welded on the front and the rear with 7013 arc welding rod then lightly ground down and welded with a lighter duty mig welder for a nicer looking weld that diddnt look as nice as i would have liked it to we agreed that the mounting wholes diddnt line up and planned on fixing it properly at 10 am in the morning he was like 2 hours late and drove pretty far to get to us we also have other customers and one was on his way to pick up some rock sliders from a further distance he was unreachable for us to have him come a different day and we were not completely finished with his . we were rush at this point we were also not supposed to be supplying the bolts for installation yes we cut the sheet metal under the mounts for the bumper in the rear it is not structural THIS BUMPER IN NO WAY WAS GOING TO COME OFF UNLESS THE UNIBODY RIPPED OFF THE JEEP WITH IT
as for jp fab killing small children come on people i only want to kill tree hugging hippies and terrorists

You ground dwon a sound stick weld in favor of a 110v MIG weld, just beacuse you thought it looked better? Looks don't mean shit for a weld. Good looking welds can have no penatration, crap is crap. Please tell us all where you got your welding certs so we can have one to go along with our one day builders lic. If you can't weld DON'T OPEN A FAB SHOP.

Why coudn't one of you finish the bumpers properly while the other finished the rail of the other guy?

Can you read a tape measure? If you could you would have used one to meausre the mounts. Also, you could have cut .5" off the mounts and not cut the unibody.
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