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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:16 AM   #1
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so i got a 90 yj with stock axels still and whoever lifted the jeep left the track bar off because it wasent long enough
anyway can i just cut it and lengthen it for now untill i can get a adjustable one or no
steering sucks and holy bump steer and its all over the road
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Old April 4th, 2008, 04:24 PM   #2
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It's a leaf sprung vehicle it doesn't need a track bar and just because it came with one doesn't mean it needs it.

If it's all over the road the track bar isnt going to help. Check your steering linkages, tires for ply seperation or shackles too long or too loose. How about the leaf spring bushings? are they good?

I could go on but if this Jeep is a high mileage unit and hasnt had a healthy dose of maintenence these items should be considered long before a track bar.

Bias Ply tires will also wander like a dog in heat.

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Old April 4th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #3
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Does it have a steering stabilizer?
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ironman is right, you dont truly need a track bar. check bushing, tie rod ends, and tires first. a steering stabilizer might make it help, but it will only mask the bigger problem
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Old April 4th, 2008, 07:29 PM   #6
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If it didn't need a track bar I'm sure the factory wouldn't have spent the money to put it there! Without it your springs will walk side to side and even worse with lift springs and bad bushings. Cut it, sleeve it and weld it up good untill you can buy an adjustable one or one that fits.
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If it didn't need a track bar I'm sure the factory wouldn't have spent the money to put it there! Without it your springs will walk side to side and even worse with lift springs and bad bushings. Cut it, sleeve it and weld it up good untill you can buy an adjustable one or one that fits.
my buddy trashed the track bar when he lifted his truck, never gave him a problem. ive known several people who went without them and were fine.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #8
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it has a stering stabilizer on it and big shackels but i figured it would be better to have it than to not have it
its not terible but it seems like the springs are moving side to side without it
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ill fab something up
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i dont agree i had a similiar problem woth my yj it was all over the road...got to thinking it was balljoints or tierod ends got to looking at it while my gf was turning the wheel and noticed that my track bar bushing was shot and the steering would push the whole jeep(move it side to side almost a inch either way...fixed the bushing and now i have no problems at all...i think it all depends on how flexy your springs are as to if you need one or not (ie) BDS springs wont need them but rustys will or whatever

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Very good! Now add bad bushings with a taller shackle and you have a recipe for disaster. Even on the front of my 97 f350 when we added the 6" skyjacker springs I had to reach in and pull them out 1/4" to line up the center pin in the pad.
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i dont agree i had a similiar problem woth my yj it was all over the road...got to thinking it was balljoints or tierod ends got to looking at it while my gf was turning the wheel and noticed that my track bar bushing was shot and the steering would push the whole jeep(move it side to side almost a inch either way...fixed the bushing and now i have no problems at all...i think it all depends on how flexy your springs are as to if you need one or not (ie) BDS springs wont need them but rustys will or whatever

just my feelings
yes when you move the wheel the jeep moves not the wheels i cut it and looked around for a piece of steel but came up short so i guess ill do it next week some time
anywho the jeep isnt really all over the road its just not right when changing lanes or turning
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sounds like a t-bar issue to me.
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The 50 or so Leaf sprung Jeeps I have built since being in business the last 14 years now have all gone out the door without a track bar. I guess I must be doing something wrong by using new quality parts or replacing worn items such as the above mentioned "bad bushings"

And the sleeved track bar, always a good idea Idieselman
that ONE ford you lifted makes you qualified to give advice on the subject.

I must have read the forum title wrong, is this the booty fab forum?



Now back to your question tomCJ7, sorry about the rant. Please take the time to check your spring bushings and make sure your shackles have the center bar or "pin" as some call it. If your shackles are longer than stock and your bushings are questionable than yes your Jeep will sway to one side when sitting static in your driveway and turning the wheel back and forth. I am not saying the track bar wont eliminate this movement, it will help no doubt.

But why not shoot for the elimination of the unneeded parts and replace the worn or improper parts instead. Have you checked your front shocks yet? Those too can magnify the side to side diving if they are wore out.
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The 50 or so Leaf sprung Jeeps I have built since being in business the last 14 years now have all gone out the door without a track bar. I guess I must be doing something wrong by using new quality parts or replacing worn items such as the above mentioned "bad bushings"

And the sleeved track bar, always a good idea Idieselman
that ONE ford you lifted makes you qualified to give advice on the subject.

I must have read the forum title wrong, is this the booty fab forum?



Now back to your question tomCJ7, sorry about the rant. Please take the time to check your spring bushings and make sure your shackles have the center bar or "pin" as some call it. If your shackles are longer than stock and your bushings are questionable than yes your Jeep will sway to one side when sitting static in your driveway and turning the wheel back and forth. I am not saying the track bar wont eliminate this movement, it will help no doubt.

But why not shoot for the elimination of the unneeded parts and replace the worn or improper parts instead. Have you checked your front shocks yet? Those too can magnify the side to side diving if they are wore out.
Shocks are new iam sure the uber long advanced auto shakel kit isnt helping the situation and iam planning on driving it for a summer and then going 4 link with serios axels and a v8 but all i was really asking was if it would be ok to lengthen my stock track bar for a little extra suport
upon further inspection.............actually i saw it when i looked at the jeep the steering box where the pitman arm attaches to (that shaft) has play in it when you jockey the wheel . iam sure that re attaching the track bar will help my situation

i have stock axels and 35s and the rear is welded i mean c mon how long can they really make it before i grenade the axels anywho
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I would remove or shorten the shackles first. If they are the one I am thinking(6" or more") they will rotate the axle down screwing with your alignment. Stock YJ shackles are 4" bolt to bolt.
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The reason I am so adiment about you not needing a track is that all it is going to do is mask other issues that could be a safety concern when driving on the road. Especially if it is serious enough to cause a loss of control while you or a family member is cruising down highway.

Make sure that everything is tight up front, like the steering gear box you mentioned. Not to sound like I am preaching, but just because your redoing it after this summer shouldnt mean you can overlook or bandaid problems that you have now.

I just dont want to read a sad story about tomCJ7 or his family in the pub.

Wishing you a safe journey,

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The 50 or so Leaf sprung Jeeps I have built since being in business the last 14 years now have all gone out the door without a track bar. I guess I must be doing something wrong by using new quality parts or replacing worn items such as the above mentioned "bad bushings"

And the sleeved track bar, always a good idea Idieselman
that ONE ford you lifted makes you qualified to give advice on the subject.

I must have read the forum title wrong, is this the booty fab forum?



Now back to your question tomCJ7, sorry about the rant. Please take the time to check your spring bushings and make sure your shackles have the center bar or "pin" as some call it. If your shackles are longer than stock and your bushings are questionable than yes your Jeep will sway to one side when sitting static in your driveway and turning the wheel back and forth. I am not saying the track bar wont eliminate this movement, it will help no doubt.

But why not shoot for the elimination of the unneeded parts and replace the worn or improper parts instead. Have you checked your front shocks yet? Those too can magnify the side to side diving if they are wore out.
It's not my fault you send incomplete job's out the door, Don't forget you are liable! What do you think would happen if one of those jeeps you lifted left your shop and was involved in a roll over accident and the DOT inspector noticed the track bar was not replaced after it was lifted? How do you suppose those track bar/spring bushing's went bad to begin with? Because the spring's were walking side to side maybe? Even replacing a track bar/bushings on a stock non lifted jeep or full size you have to walk the frame over the axles by turning the wheel back and fourth to line up the bolt in the bushing. My referance to the one of MANY truck's I have lifted was to show even on new 1 ton spring pack and bushings you can pull the spring pack back and fourth compressing the bushing's by hand, Now this being the case I wonder why those stupid Engineers who designed the suspension would waste all that time and money putting a track bar under there??? I think you should should get ahold of those auto manufactures and let them know YOU are much smarter than all their design Engineers and they are just wasting money on those useless track bar's.....Genius has no boundries! I'm done. Never argue with a FOOL, They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

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Why do you think this guy should cover up the issue before fixing the problem?? He has said he has ultra long shackles. Do you think those may put any extra leverage on the springs and bushings?
Here is a LINK to "Caster, Camber and Toe"
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Why do you think this guy should cover up the issue before fixing the problem?? He has said he has ultra long shackles. Do you think those may put any extra leverage on the springs and bushings?
Here is a LINK to "Caster, Camber and Toe"
Absolutly the shackles are putting extra leverage on the spring/bushings. All the more reason to have the TRACK BAR. You know that piece that's put there from the factory to prevent this and is definatly needed when someone buy's a shackle lift ! It almost makes me think someone had a crazy idea that a jeep owner may try to get a little extra lift by using extended shackles. Should anyone use them ? I'm not to judge. I will say even with new springs/bushings they will walk even without extended shackles. We all know you can buy extended shackles. I have never seen a track bar delete kit though.
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