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Old April 4th, 2006, 11:58 PM   #41
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this what the guy that lead and organized the trip have say after i linked this post to him..
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?action=pm
Yea, it takes us to the registration page rather than the comments.

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Old April 5th, 2006, 08:12 AM   #42
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this what the guy that lead and organized the trip have say after i linked this post to him..
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?action=pm
I even signed up and it did not work... try again...
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Old April 5th, 2006, 01:08 PM   #43
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Old April 5th, 2006, 07:16 PM   #44
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Quote :Thanks. I read it. I agree with it and that is why I tried to keep us on only the trails we had permission to use. Some places it is hard to tll where the trail is and where it isn't. It would be nice if the DNR marked out the trails as they do for other ORVs. Pines Point area is considered an ORV area by the DNR but it is listed for closing in the near future. I asked about it and was told as long as it is still open it can be used.

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These trails are not extreme so save your rock buggy for the Cliffs or Badlands and drive a street legal Zuk. Several miles are on paved backroads. An ORV sticker is a good idea to keep the DNR happy. Since most the trails are on public land we will try to tread lightly by running in 4wd on any soft areas, etc
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Old April 5th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #45
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nice pics, i think i am going to build a sidekick, my grandparents have one and they were thinking about getting rid of it, i think it would be a fun little toy to build.
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Old April 5th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #46
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this is the bus driver, the kids' and i had fun no more candies or soda for them ok guys,
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Old April 6th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #47
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Unfortunatly, the Pines Point area was redesignated as the "White River Semi-Primitive NON-MOTORIZED Recreatioin Area" by the Baldwin Ranger District of the Manistee National Forest several years ago. If you want it back you have to fight the Sierra Club over the Forest Plan Revision Process. What you see on the Forest today is a DIRECT result of their lawsuit against the last Forest Plan (1986). They forced the NFS to DRASTICALLY INCREASE the area of Forest covered by access limiting designations like "Semi-Primitive Motorized, Semi-Primitive Non-Motorized, and Wilderness" thru littigation that ended with the "Settlement agreement" that you see in operation today.

The DNR doesn't post or mark trails there because THERE AREN'T ANY. The DNR DOES mark their DESIGNATED routes. If you want to know what's up on NFS land you need to ask the NFS not the DNR. The DNR is still good to talk to, but I've noticed that the 2 agencies don't always comunicate with each other very well.


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These trails are not extreme so save your rock buggy for the Cliffs or Badlands and drive a street legal Zuk. Several miles are on paved backroads. An ORV sticker is a good idea to keep the DNR happy. Since most the trails are on public land we will try to tread lightly by running in 4wd on any soft areas, etc

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Old April 11th, 2006, 12:14 PM   #48
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Pat,
The trails were North of Holton-Whitehall road up towards and in some places along the South branch of the White river. I have wheeled with a couple of the guys who were side hilling in those pics and I can assure you that if they had known that it was illegal, they wouldn't have done it. Just how would you know what part of the trail is legal to use and what isn't? Oh, and no I can't remember any of their names, but I can get the information to them.

Dave

And yes I am new to this site, tracked it back here after KaiserJeep went out of his way to jump onto a zuki site and go after the guy who set up the trail ride.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 12:43 PM   #49
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We HAVE to remember that we are ALL part of the same sport.
We shouldn't "go after", we should educate.
The sport is being killed in Michigan by two factors:

1) The green weenies are organized against us.

2) We aren't organized well enough yet to push back.

The BIGGEST thing I can say to EVERYONE that wants open trails is don't JUST join a club (DO JOIN), you HAVE to HELP the cause by being ACTIVE ANY WAY YOU CAN!!!!!!!

If you can donate 5 minutes to the cause, then find out how your 5 minutes can help the most and DONATE that time!

PLEASE HELP US SAVE OUR TRAILS, GET INVOLVED!
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I would like to announce that Kaiser Jeep is a ...nevermind. He may know a lot about the legal side and what is right and wrong, but he seems to be quite cocky about it and just kind of a jerk. He posted this on zuki world :

"hey pink and green tracker, the "twin locked Rubicon" is a 1998 4 cyl, 5sp TJ... many days before rubicons... I don't even think it says Rubicon express (they make springs and stuff) on it any more. Guess you missed all the hills I idled up."

http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=11319.0

That really made me think you were a bad ass Kaiser Jeep. :roll:

I was thinking about coming to the trail cleanup...but I think I'll pass.
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You guys just dont get it do you? Not to start a flame war, but read the shit the zuki site had posted, wow, too good for everyone on that website.
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You guys just dont get it do you? Not to start a flame war, but read the shit the zuki site had posted, wow, too good for everyone on that website.
no i don't ..if anybody being too good is you , making the gay coment because someone sign up on other site .

KaiserJeep i did have respect for you at one time for being mature adult and trying to get people together and alway talking about trail clean up . i did the same and ask others from other site to join you guys but after your coments and signature ( which doesn't bother anyone but just to show how childish that was .)
I'm with mike.. I'll pass also
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Old April 11th, 2006, 11:33 PM   #53
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I was thinking about coming to the trail cleanup...but I think I'll pass.
Mike,
Do what you will, but I would not let one person ruin it for the greater picture of what the trail clean-up is all about.


Apparently, KaiserJeep is a little sensitive when it comes to the "Heavy Chevy" :tonka:
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Old April 12th, 2006, 12:13 AM   #54
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=tracker no i don't ..if anybody being too good is you , making the gay coment because someone sign up on other site .
yeah your right, because mike and john arent friends and never EVER give eachother shit...by the way..nice job john

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After visiting that website I cant help but giggle, those guys, some real knee slappers on that page, they outwheel anything, anywhere, evar, period.


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You guys just dont get it do you? Not to start a flame war, but read the shit the zuki site had posted, wow, too good for everyone on that website.
No, I just don't get it either. You goto any site and they always poke fun at the other rigs out there, no big deal. But KaiserHeep comes blowin in out of nowhere with his I am God, hear me roar attitude and all he did was piss off a bunch of people. The guy that set up the trail ride had done everything right (he thought), from getting permission for a place for everyone to park their rig, to checking with the DNR and private land owners for permission to cross their land. He's seems to be the type of person that you guys should want to have with you, but instead of getting some good advice on what he should do for his next trail ride, he got:miff: .
Pat, you seem to be level headed about this stuff, where do we get the information we need to do this right, so we can all enjoy the trails for a long time to come. And how do we find out what areas are safe to wheel in Muskegon?
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHY we get shoved around by th e DNR and greenies!

One little disagreement and we divide into little factions!

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

I haven't even looked at the link yet, just reading the postings here (I'll take a look in a minute).

Mike and Tracker, I HOPE you would be willing to reconsider the clean up.
It's one of the best things we wheelers have going for better public relations for our hobby.

If John has been a bit overzealous in his responses, I appologise!
I've worked with him on the Clean Up for a number of years now and can tell you that reguardless of personality conflict or perhaps a different wheeling style, he is CONCERNED about what is happening to the trails.
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The guy that set up the trail ride had done everything right (he thought), from getting permission for a place for everyone to park their rig, to checking with the DNR and private land owners for permission to cross their land. He's seems to be the type of person that you guys should want to have with you, but instead of getting some good advice on what he should do for his next trail ride, he got:miff: .
I would LOVE to talk to the trail leader.
It takes a LOT of work to put on an event.
I've had people leave the trail on events that I've staged too - It sucks.
It puts you on the spot as the leader. You just want to everyone to have a good time.

I have to commend them, not just for hosting it, but for going to the lenghts they did to try to keep it legal. It's alomst IMPOSSIBLE to go out on the trail and be completely legal everywhere and still have any fun at all -- besides looking at the GREAT Michigan scenery.

I'd be interested in assisting any way I could with ANYONE that wants to further the sport in ANY WAY. Wether it's hosting a ride or going to meetings, or helping with research and governmental project comment periods.

WE NEED ALL THE ALLIES WE CAN GET!
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