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Old March 25th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #1
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PZ Meyers expelled from Expelled

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/expelled.cfm

this is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #2
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I guess I'd had to know who he is to care....
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Old March 25th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #3
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I guess I'd had to know who he is to care....
well known outspoken scientist/atheist. they had his name on a list and made him leave, but they didn't ask his friend to leave...Richard Dawkins!

if you haven't heard of Expelled, it's a creationist propaganda film hosted by Ben Stein. They are trying to convince people that intelligent design is a science and should be taught in schools.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #4
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http://www.talkreason.org/articles/expelled.cfm

this is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while.
That kinda sucks. They should have let him in maybe he would have had a change in his opinion. I hear some agnostics and atheists actually are open minded.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #5
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well known outspoken scientist/atheist. they had his name on a list and made him leave, but they didn't ask his friend to leave...Richard Dawkins!

if you haven't heard of Expelled, it's a creationist propaganda film hosted by Ben Stein. They are trying to convince people that intelligent design is a science and should be taught in schools.
OK I was wrong. Now that i know who they are I still don't care.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 10:44 PM   #6
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That kinda sucks. They should have let him in maybe he would have had a change in his opinion. I hear some agnostics and atheists actually are open minded.
if it's anything like what i've read, i'm thinking not. Besides, the cat is out of the bag, ID=creationism=religion. No teaching religion is school.

remember Dover, Pennsylvania?
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if it's anything like what i've read, i'm thinking not. Besides, the cat is out of the bag, ID=creationism=religion. No teaching religion is school.

remember Dover, Pennsylvania?
Yeah, we won't want to confuse the kids by even acknowledging that theres any debate about the various theories. Next thing you know they'll be thinking for themselves. We can't have that, we must tell them what to think.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 11:00 PM   #8
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Yeah, we won't want to confuse the kids by even acknowledging that theres any debate about the various theories. Next thing you know they'll be thinking for themselves. We can't have that, we must tell them what to think.
Can you tell me what I should believe?
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Yeah, we won't want to confuse the kids by even acknowledging that theres any debate about the various theories. Next thing you know they'll be thinking for themselves. We can't have that, we must tell them what to think.
Intelligent Design isn't a SCIENTIFIC theory. Doesn't hold up in SCIENCE.

I guess, if you want to teach Intelligent design in your school, that's fine, you better be prepared to teach about the FSM beside it. It has just as much legitimacy.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #10
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Intelligent Design isn't a SCIENTIFIC theory. Doesn't hold up in SCIENCE.

I guess, if you want to teach Intelligent design in your school, that's fine, you better be prepared to teach about the FSM beside it. It has just as much legitimacy.
Never said it was. But I don't believe every aspect of evolution holds up the science as we know it either. Some of it remains unexplained, thats why it's still being studied and why new ideas come about regularly. Some is nothing more than a hypothesis. I'm not suggesting that ID or FSM be taught, all I ask is that evolution be presented as an incomplete but developing theory of how life on earth came about, and that there are other theories that also attempt to explain the same thing, rather than being presented as a complete and proven fact, which it isn't.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 06:51 AM   #11
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and that there are other theories that also attempt to explain the same thing, rather than being presented as a complete and proven fact, which it isn't.
what other theories? ID, Like I just said, though, Bruce, ID is not a scientific theory. So you would have to say something like there are other "blank" to explain life, but aren't scientific and based on religious mythology. How much sense would it make to present this in a science class?
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what other theories? ID, Like I just said, though, Bruce, ID is not a scientific theory. So you would have to say something like there are other "blank" to explain life, but aren't scientific and based on religious mythology. How much sense would it make to present this in a science class?
Here's a thought, teach the students the content of the Bible and the history of the time. Don't shove your belief down their throats and see what kind of decission they make.
I'm not so sure you can teach an unscewed point of view after reading what you wrote.

I'm a certified unemployed teacher. My specialty is history, so yes, I criticize religion on a regular basis.

I can only imagine what would be said if a science teacher made a statement like you made in support of religion.
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Here's a thought, teach the students the content of the Bible and the history of the time. Don't shove your belief down their throats and see what kind of decission they make.
I'm not so sure you can teach an unscewed point of view after reading what you wrote.

I'm a certified unemployed teacher. My specialty is history, so yes, I criticize religion on a regular basis.

I can only imagine what would be said if a science teacher made a statement like you made in support of religion.
teach the content of the bible to who? in what class? I'm unsure of what you're trying to say.

By the way, I already told you I don't shove my beliefs down anybodies throat.
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teach the content of the bible to who? in what class? I'm unsure of what you're trying to say.

By the way, I already told you I don't shove my beliefs down anybodies throat.
History. Are we going to deny the Bible can be used as a history book.

If you critisize religion on a regular basis then your not teaching as a teacher of the substance your influencing it with your own agenda, or opinon. What do you say of a history teacher that praises religion on a regular basis?
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History. Are we going to deny the Bible can be used as a history book.

If you critisize religion on a regular basis then your not teaching as a teacher of the substance your influencing it with your own agenda, or opinon. What do you say of a history teacher that praises religion on a regular basis?
The bible gets mentioned in class. It is of great historical significance, but it can't be anything more than just mentioned in high school level classes.

If you're not a teacher, you might not realize why? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with any laws.
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The bible gets mentioned in class. It is of great historical significance, but it can't be anything more than just mentioned in high school level classes.

If you're not a teacher, you might not realize why? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with any laws.
Well no I'm not a teacher and I guess since you are you will have to explain why something of great historical significance can only be mentioned in a history class.
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Well no I'm not a teacher and I guess since you are you will have to explain why something of great historical significance can only be mentioned in a history class.
cuz it's a HUGE book! We only have a short amount of time to cover hundreds, sometimes thousands of years. You can't sit and dwell on one thing for too long. Plus, even if we forget about separation of church and state, are we then going to go over the Qu'ran, the Torah, and every other holy book? you could dedicate an entire semester class to the study of one of those books.
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cuz it's a HUGE book! We only have a short amount of time to cover hundreds, sometimes thousands of years. You can't sit and dwell on one thing for too long. Plus, even if we forget about separation of church and state, are we then going to go over the Qu'ran, the Torah, and every other holy book? you could dedicate an entire semester class to the study of one of those books.
I guess I'm getting old. When I went to school not only did we have to walk up hill both ways in the snow, but in second grade for example we had to read all the books of at least one letter of the Enclyclopedia each week and memorize everything in it, I'm glad school didn't get tough untill later. You would get a little tired since you got up at 4am to hand milk the cows and do your other chores, and sometimes you had to fight off the Indians on the way to school, or comming home, not to mention the random bear or pack of wolves that would attack.
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I guess I'm getting old. When I went to school not only did we have to walk up hill both ways in the snow, but in second grade for example we had to read all the books of at least one letter of the Enclyclopedia each week and memorize everything in it, I'm glad school didn't get tough untill later. You would get a little tired since you got up at 4am to hand milk the cows and do your other chores, and sometimes you had to fight off the Indians on the way to school, or comming home, not to mention the random bear or pack of wolves that would attack.
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Intelligent Design isn't a SCIENTIFIC theory. Doesn't hold up in SCIENCE.
Hey guess what... There's a reason they call it the THEORY of Evolution too. Creationism does hold up to Scientific theory although you have to assume that a god exists (in the same way that you have to assume that billions of complex mutations bring order out of chaos!)

No one has ever proven MACRO-evolution occurs (the THEORY that species can evolve/mutate into each other)... just MICRO-evolution (changes within a set species). Any science teacher will agree that all that they teach about the theory of evolution (macro-evolution) is based off of what we know about MICRO-evolution.

Your "creationist" bashing requires that you actually have a handle on the topic that you pimp as truth!

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