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Old March 20th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #41
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But in many cases, it is "need". My son in law runs his own landscaping/plow business. He NEEDS his truck daily. Half way through the winter when the gas prices started going up, he couldn't go back to his seaonal prepaid accounts and ask for more money. And then he gets impacted even more because he plowed about twice as much as any year in the past 10 years. So, he eats that cost too.
Should I be sympathetic? Maybe... but if gas prices for some reason went down and/or we got much less than normal snow and he hardly ever had to go out and plow would have he gone back to his seasonal prepaid accounts and refunded to them some of the money they paid? I doubt it.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 07:47 PM   #42
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Should I be sympathetic? Maybe... but if gas prices for some reason went down and/or we got much less than normal snow and he hardly ever had to go out and plow would have he gone back to his seasonal prepaid accounts and refunded to them some of the money they paid? I doubt it.
I was talking with him about this last weekend. Up to this point, he has never been off by much so it has not been an issue. I think he's going to make some adjustments on his contracts next year. But the point is that with seasonal contracts, he has fixed costs and didn't have the ability to raise his prices. Yes, it's part of doing busines and he has to take his lumps. But, he still has the right to express his opinions, as do anyone else.

Sure, there is a difference between need and want but I still maintain that it's rude to laugh at someone's misfortune if it's a result of something being out of their immediate control. If they're misfortune is a result of them being stupid, then laugh away.

Do you also laugh at someone who may have trouble heating their home because their utilities went up? Same issue......... because you would say they should have bought a smaller house.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #43
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I was talking with him about this last weekend. Up to this point, he has never been off by much so it has not been an issue. I think he's going to make some adjustments on his contracts next year. But the point is that with seasonal contracts, he has fixed costs and didn't have the ability to raise his prices. Yes, it's part of doing busines and he has to take his lumps. But, he still has the right to express his opinions, as do anyone else.
Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinion, whether that means bitching about the price of gas or having a chuckle at the expense of someone who's bitching about a bad situation because of the choices they made. To be clear I wouldn't laugh as you son-in-law over losing money due to things beyond his control, but I won't be crying in my beer over it either.

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Sure, there is a difference between need and want but I still maintain that it's rude to laugh at someone's misfortune if it's a result of something being out of their immediate control. If they're misfortune is a result of them being stupid, then laugh away.
Some would argue that buying a large truck and using it as a daily driver for a long commute is stupid.


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Do you also laugh at someone who may have trouble heating their home because their utilities went up? Same issue......... because you would say they should have bought a smaller house.
pretty much, yes. If someone bought a huge house just for the sake of having a huge house and is now having trouble paying to heat it, I have no sympathy. Yes, they should have bought a smaller house.

I guess I'm just an unsympathetic bastard. But again, to be clear, I'm not laughing at everyone thats in a bad situation because of high energy prices. I'm laughing at people who are in a bad situation because of unwise choices they made and are trying to blame everything else. I'm also not saying I've never made bad choices, I'm made my share. And when I think back I laugh and say "what the hell was I thinking."
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Old March 20th, 2008, 09:41 PM   #44
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Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinion, whether that means bitching about the price of gas or having a chuckle at the expense of someone who's bitching about a bad situation because of the choices they made. To be clear I wouldn't laugh as you son-in-law over losing money due to things beyond his control, but I won't be crying in my beer over it either.



Some would argue that buying a large truck and using it as a daily driver for a long commute is stupid.




pretty much, yes. If someone bought a huge house just for the sake of having a huge house and is now having trouble paying to heat it, I have no sympathy. Yes, they should have bought a smaller house.

I guess I'm just an unsympathetic bastard. But again, to be clear, I'm not laughing at everyone thats in a bad situation because of high energy prices. I'm laughing at people who are in a bad situation because of unwise choices they made and are trying to blame everything else. I'm also not saying I've never made bad choices, I'm made my share. And when I think back I laugh and say "what the hell was I thinking."
Fair enough.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 12:57 AM   #45
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Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinion, whether that means bitching about the price of gas or having a chuckle at the expense of someone who's bitching about a bad situation because of the choices they made. To be clear I wouldn't laugh as you son-in-law over losing money due to things beyond his control, but I won't be crying in my beer over it either.



Some would argue that buying a large truck and using it as a daily driver for a long commute is stupid.




pretty much, yes. If someone bought a huge house just for the sake of having a huge house and is now having trouble paying to heat it, I have no sympathy. Yes, they should have bought a smaller house.

I guess I'm just an unsympathetic bastard. But again, to be clear, I'm not laughing at everyone thats in a bad situation because of high energy prices. I'm laughing at people who are in a bad situation because of unwise choices they made and are trying to blame everything else. I'm also not saying I've never made bad choices, I'm made my share. And when I think back I laugh and say "what the hell was I thinking."
The magnitude of how good or bad a decision is can vary pretty severely with time and perspective. At the time, it may have been a wise decision to buy the larger house - how much space do most of us REALLY need, but it is nice to live in a larger, more comfortable place. At the time the house was purchased, it could have been well within what was affordable for them, and as far as they knew, it would continue to be. But now that the prices have risen, the situation is different, it may have been turned into a wrong decision, but it was the right decision at the time.

I don't think it's something that's really outright laugh worthy. It's also not deserving of much pity. Things suck for everyone right now, regardless of how many MPG you get, or how small your house is. Everyone could benefit from cheaper gas.

Now, there are decisions that are just outright bad, as there is a large amount of historical evidence that it is such. Smoking crack, buying from , getting blowjobs from chubby interns in the oval office, etc... Those situations are deserving of all the ridicule that is directed at people. Truly bad choices are decisions you make that are wrong regardless of how much data there is that points you in the other direction.

Now, regarding the taxation of gasoline, we're already paying what... like 32 cents per gallon. The way things are going, why the hell do they need to up the price further for "discouragement"? Seems the oil market is already doing the job his of proposed legislation already...
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Old March 21st, 2008, 01:54 AM   #46
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Now, regarding the taxation of gasoline, we're already paying what... like 32 cents per gallon. The way things are going, why the hell do they need to up the price further for "discouragement"? Seems the oil market is already doing the job his of proposed legislation already...
Because we're still buying it.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 07:59 AM   #47
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Because we're still buying it.
I agree, but that is how they want it. Our country is not built or designed around public transportation and conservation.

Explain to me how the average person can just stop buying any of it?
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Old March 21st, 2008, 08:54 AM   #48
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Yes, everyone has the right to express their opinion, whether that means bitching about the price of gas or having a chuckle at the expense of someone who's bitching about a bad situation because of the choices they made. To be clear I wouldn't laugh as you son-in-law over losing money due to things beyond his control, but I won't be crying in my beer over it either.



Some would argue that buying a large truck and using it as a daily driver for a long commute is stupid.




pretty much, yes. If someone bought a huge house just for the sake of having a huge house and is now having trouble paying to heat it, I have no sympathy. Yes, they should have bought a smaller house.

I guess I'm just an unsympathetic bastard. But again, to be clear, I'm not laughing at everyone thats in a bad situation because of high energy prices. I'm laughing at people who are in a bad situation because of unwise choices they made and are trying to blame everything else. I'm also not saying I've never made bad choices, I'm made my share. And when I think back I laugh and say "what the hell was I thinking."
thank you bruce, exactly what I was thinking.
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Because we're still buying it.
I somewhat disagree. Can you honestly say you haven't trimmed down your consumption of gasoline a little due to the current pricing? Has it never made you think twice about taking that long trip somewhere that wasn't completely necessary? People are taking jobs closer to home, driving up north to their cabins and such less, and many other things.

Personally, I've been working from home more often, and I'm pretty damned lucky to have that option available. I'm not hurting financially, I just don't want to pay that much for gas.

As roktoy said, we don't have a real good public trans system, so our vehicles are a necessity. We can't just instantly stop using less cause the price goes up, but we can cut out "leisure" spending, as many have. Instantly upping the cost of living by taxation on a necessary product is a pretty silly idea when you're trying to prevent financial crisis...
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