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Old March 17th, 2008, 07:16 AM   #21
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you forgot to add "the right driver" in there.. you can have the most badass tow setup every but if you throw some Johnny Geo Drive behind the wheel who's never driving anything big before in there.. Everyone's fucked
That's the other problem: I drove a truck for 10 years, and I've seen Johhny Geo scattered all over the highway enough times to not want to be him, too. Ya know? It's embarassing to admit I've only rarely hauled a trailer behind anything as small as a pick up. I guess I'm not too sure what I need. I want my old Western Star and a drop deck, but that's not practical.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 08:29 AM   #22
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Does it have to be 4wd? Does that make a difference in towing ability? Other than on snow?
Depends on where you will be towing. If you are never leaving the pavement or at the worst on a gravel road, you would be fine with 2wd. If you are going to someplace that may be muddy, you will be very unhappy without 4 wheel drive. I know 4wd has come in very handy pulling my gooseneck. Even in gravel it will spin the tires trying to back it in some places. Pop in 4wd and get it moving, then drop into 2wd so it will turn.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #23
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Old March 17th, 2008, 09:44 AM   #24
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Remember those published numbers are the max rated GCVW. As you approach or exceed those numbers your safety factor decreases. If your rated at 5k and towing 5k you might want something more.

I personally don't like towing with IFS anything, but thats just preference.
And just to keep things in perspective, I can visualize the difference between a Dana 35/44 axle and a Dana 60/70.
A half-ton pick up is for towing a couple sleds and transporting the family dog or occassional fat chick.
Yeah you're right and so is Mclovin, he needs at least an F450.

Give me a break.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 10:12 AM   #25
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Funny this thread came up. I had asked this question not too long ago of a couple of truck engineers while I was out at the test track. While yes, there's alot of legal dealings that go into the PRINTED figures, they actually do test the ability rather interestingly.

First is the straight line tests. Accelleration and braking are done to determine fall off points and acceptable levels.

Second is the fun part. They have this fancy trailer that basically can sideload the trailer hitch of the vehicle to actually try and fishtail the tow rig at 25mph, 55mph, and 70mph to see what kind of side loads the vehicle can take. They come up with some slide rule math to determine the acceptable levels and they present the data to the lawyer types that typically recommend a level somewhat below the tolerance points. I thought it was kind of neat.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #26
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My first enclosed trailer, towed with my old show truck, short box and 35" tires = trailer sway and loss of control. Flipped the trailer back on it's wheels and drove the Jeep out of the trailer and the rest of the way to the Dunes and then back to Midland.

Moral of the story, dont tow with a short box lifted truck on C Rated 35" tires!

The truck and trailer were totalled by the way.



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Old March 17th, 2008, 10:40 AM   #27
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No its not, your Suburban is rated to tow 10,000lbs. That Yukon is probably around 7500lbs
I would wager money that my manual says like 7500lbs and the Yukon 8000lbs....all I know is I couldn't believe it!
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Old March 17th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #28
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My first enclosed trailer, towed with my old show truck, short box and 35" tires = trailer sway and loss of control. Flipped the trailer back on it's wheels and drove the Jeep out of the trailer and the rest of the way to the Dunes and then back to Midland.

Moral of the story, dont tow with a short box lifted truck on C Rated 35" tires!

The truck and trailer were totalled by the way.


So, by the "seat of your pants" gauge. Was the issue primarily the tow vehicle or do you think weight distribution came into play.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 11:22 AM   #29
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So, by the "seat of your pants" gauge. Was the issue primarily the tow vehicle or do you think weight distribution came into play.

Absolutely no doubt the tow vehicle and the way it was set up.

Short wheelbase combined with 35" c-rated tires. I actually stopped on my way and tried to shift the load in the trailer placing more weight over the tounge as it wanted to sway a couple times prior to this picture. The tall sidewall had to much flex combined with the short wheelbase made moving the weight more towrds the front could have actually made it worse as the tires flexed even more. Ideally you would want this scenrio, more tongue weight that is.

This trailer was new but I had hauled it once before with a stock Z71 extended cab and it towed like a dream all the way to the St. Ignace car show. Next trip I wanted to take both the Show truck and the Jeep to the Dunes. BAD IDEA as I no longer have that truck and we could have been seriously injured or worse.

I went from that setup to a 40' enclosed goosenenck and a Dually, I havent looked back since. It makes all the difference in the world when you use the right tool for the job!




From that setup to this, 35' class A with 20' enclosed

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It makes all the difference in the world when you use the right tool for the job!
Thats my point.



note: I've been to hundreds of accidents involving vehicles/trailers and with out a doubt the number one cause has been attributed to speed.
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To add to my story, we were on US 10 or "old 10" as it's also known. We were on the West side of the town of Baldwin approx ten miles or so on a stretch of road that curved and had a double hump in it. This set off one of the worst trailer sway conditions ever witnessed by those who scattered from their locations either behind us or coming at us.

US 10 was 3 lanes at this spot and we used all three before spinning 180 degrees and hitting a guardrail bringing us to a stop as the trailer flopped. No ticket was issued as the local fire dept. said we were not the first trailer accident at this spot due to the same sway issue coming over the double hump and through the curve. Comforting huh?

US 10 was closed for two hours while they cleaned up the 22 gallons of fuel and righted our trailer back to it's wheels. Which leads me to mentioning, do not fill your gas tank on your trailered vehicle if you can help it. Do it once you reach your destination, only you can prevent road fires!
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Old March 17th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #32
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To add to my story, we were on US 10 or "old 10" as it's also known. We were on the West side of the town of Baldwin approx ten miles or so on a stretch of road that curved and had a double hump in it. This set off one of the worst trailer sway conditions ever witnessed by those who scattered from their locations either behind us or coming at us.

US 10 was 3 lanes at this spot and we used all three before spinning 180 degrees and hitting a guardrail bringing us to a stop as the trailer flopped. No ticket was issued as the local fire dept. said we were not the first trailer accident at this spot due to the same sway issue coming over the double hump and through the curve. Comforting huh?
By seat of your pants, I bet you checked yours!!

I've had that wobble start and the springs pick it up and something about the harmonics that you have to come to a complete stop to clear it.

Nice looking dodge!!! Nothing tows like a dually!!

But have you ever noticed the front track on most (all?) trucks is a little wider than the rear? Not a dually of course, but still....

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Old March 17th, 2008, 12:35 PM   #33
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I would wager money that my manual says like 7500lbs and the Yukon 8000lbs....all I know is I couldn't believe it!
It's 7500lbs if you have 3/4 ton w/65TD, 7000lb w/350ci, 454ci are 10,000lb. Thats what my Suburban manual says, and what I found online.

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Old April 4th, 2008, 12:08 PM   #35
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Here is something to rember also is how other things are you going to take with you???? that will play a part of what tow vevile you use or get.
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