question to pete lumborg, "boy it's been a long winter?do you know if there is going to be any changes at the dunes this year?"
answer,"No big changes for the ORV rules and regulations for this season. We may set up a point on Fox Road for folks with the next voucher period to start lining up that won't conflict with people trying to get in for the current session. Some paving projects at the Voucher Center and repairs to road surfaces at the ORV Parking Lot will probably happen in the next year. There is also a pedestrian walkway project that we are collecting materials for that will go along where the sand pathway is now, next to the entrance road."
That is good to hear.The driveway to the voucher center is in a rediculous state of disrepair. And a paved walkway for foot traffic would be appreciated by all I think. So they are not going to raise the price of orv stickers? when was the last time that was done? In my opinion I would not be opposed to spending more on my orv voucher if it meant that the extra funds generated would go to keeping trails open in Michigan. What do the rest of you guys think?
before they raise the ORV pricing from the $16.25, they need to tell us what the current $$ is being used for... nevermind the fact that its the same price for a full size user as it is for a motorcylce or alike....
above you will find all the information about grant money that is available, some of which comes from the sale of the ORV sticker
There is a pie chart that has the breakdown somewhere on the DNR site. I can tell you that the majority goes back to the trail system through the grant process. GLFWDA recieves money from this grant process by doing trail maintenance on several routes. So in essence we get our money back!
I can also tell you that a percentage of the ORV fund money goes to law enforcement, restoration, and purchasing of maintenance equipment.
above you will find all the information about grant money that is available, some of which comes from the sale of the ORV sticker
There is a pie chart that has the breakdown somewhere on the DNR site. I can tell you that the majority goes back to the trail system through the grant process. GLFWDA recieves money from this grant process by doing trail maintenance on several routes. So in essence we get our money back!
I can also tell you that a percentage of the ORV fund money goes to law enforcement, restoration, and purchasing of maintenance equipment.
I don't see anywhere in those links breaking down the costs from the $16.25. I did notice that in the meeting minutes, they have no idea how to spell Bob DeVore's name though..... I also see information relating to grants, but nothing back to the ORV sticker fee, perhaps I missed something? I believe at one time there was discussion regarding changing the fees for full size users vs atv and alike, but it was shot down as we didn't know what the current $16.25 was going for....
I have the pie chart somewhere, I'll see if I cant dig it up. In order for the grants department to execute a grant they need to have certain amounts going certain directions.
Who was discussing different amounts for full size vs ATV? Someone in the audience at a meeting? If that was the case than absolutely it was dismissed.
also Steve Kubsiak the ORV program director would supply the breakdown mailto:kubisias@michigan.gov
Paul Hitte the GLFWDA treasurer should also have this info available in the grant paperwork.
It is good to hear silverlake will be in full swing, but it seems like they could come up with a better voucher system. The current one requires alot more employees than before, requires alot of waisted time and fuel to get a voucher on big weekends (do something on the internet?)?? You all may want to shoot me, but I think it should be able to work better.
I've never had a problem and it always seems to flow good for me. Not sure what you mean by wasted fuel. I'm guessing it's because you live 20 miles away make an extra trip to get a voucher & then turn around to drive back home. But you won't get any sympathy from me because I drive 240 miles just to get there & I spend about $300 round trip in fuel. Not to mention $30 per night for camping. I'd trade you in a heartbeat.:sonicjay:
Thanks for the info. Bill, no changes sounds good to me. When they make changes or the police start enforcing laws such as the towing law it always seems to be hard to get used to & cost us more money. See you on the dunes. Ron
Just a reminder the Mid-Michigan 4 wheelers dune clean-up is 6-14-08
Not looking for sympathy, we can live wherever we want.
Yep, as I said shoot me. I can understand your point, but I am not the only local who wishes it could work a bit differant. I do not plan on joining a :stan3: match about it, nor am I sure I have a better idea. I do think it would be cool to be able to get a voucher online???
Naw, I wasn't wanting to start a pissing match either. Just pointing out the glass half full/ empty side of things.:sonicjay:
I think they could have a different problem with on line vouchers. First, he who has more time on a computer gets the vouchers first. Second, they would risk people getting vouchers and then never show. I can see people getting a voucher because they are thinking about maybe going to the dunes and then bailing.
It's a tough situation either way.
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