I am going to finish my xj this weekend I hope. I was looking at the website to see what time they are open. I have wheeled there maybe 6 times and am very close. However under the rules it says no firearms on the property. I know some people who work their are on here. Please tell me that this will be changed and that you support our 2nd amendment. I would hate if I had to travel to a park that is farther away to wheel because of this. Maybe nobody has noticed. I know I always carry when there. There must be a misunderstanding RIGHT!!???
yeah, cause you never know who's gonna try and rob you while you're wheeling in the gravel pit of a private park, or when aliens may invade, or when a big bad grizzly bear is gonna eat you
So when traveling to and from you can promise I will encounter no danger? If you know for a fact where I will and will not be in danger you should quit your job and consult for the armed forces. I have never met someone who instinctively knew where trouble would never happen.
Nope, I can't promise you that. I can promise you that I have never encountered enough danger to need to pull a gun on someone in 32 1/2 years of life though. So my guess is you're probably safe.
If you came to my place, id tell ya to leave your pea shooter at home too. "Thats my right" and has nothing to do w/2nd amendment.
Next rant,:sonicjay:
With as often as you have sold things in the GL4x4 marketplace, I'm betting that someone has had their 'peashooter' on your property and you didn't even know it.
seeing as how its a gravel pit I would assume that at somepoint they have had problems with people sneaking into the property and taget shooting etc... It does not mean they dont support the second ammendment it just means they are trying to protect there business and their ass, no different than you when you carry. It goes both ways you have the right to carry and they have the right to say they dont want it on their property. i personally would not hold it against any business, they have their reasons just the same.
I messaged them on here and got some bullshit excuse, I liked the place, but I will not go back until they change there policy, but it is there property so it's their right to tell me I can't.
Once again tell me where and when I or someone will encounter a life or death situation. I will gladly stop carrying and just take you with me everywhere.
Edit: is rye the only person who doesn't carry who understands both sides?
If they don't want you to carry a gun on their property, I support that right. On the flip side, I don't think it's unreasonable for you to keep it in your vehicle, locked up in the event they don't allow you to carry. Unfortunately, currently, if they don't want guns on the property, you don't have that option legally, as far as I know.
There are discussions about "parking lot laws" to allow you to have your gun in your vehicle in the parking lot, even if someone doesn't allow weapons on their property... however, I believe this is mostly focused on places of employment. I don't really feel like looking this up right now, so someone else can do the work, if they'd like.
I personally don't either, but I also don't judge those that have that feeling - remember, they afterall don't understand why we choose to make ourselves easier potential victims ...
Wow, the amount of false security in here is disgusting.
I bet most of you have children and make them wear a helmet when on their bicycle, correct? Oh wait no, probably not because they haven't fell yet! So they never will fall!
Also I agree the property owner has his rights to not allow firearms on his property, wile I think its kinda lame. Its his right to not allow them, as it is ours (or is for now) to carry.
I respect Bundys stance on the issue. I personally don't think there will be any gun violence in an offroad park. Seems like it's a pretty tight community and everybody SEEMS all there. If you carry everywhere, maybe in your vehicle and not on you, why not be able to keep it in a locked vehicle in the parking lot? Like previously stated, you never know what is going to happen on your way to the park. ie: stop for gas and get robbed at gunpoint? Anything can happen. So having to leave your pistol at home for a day trip to Bundy? Hmm I don't know about that one.
It's like my mama always says, ''better safe than-than sorry'':teehee:
There are all sorts of these discussions on the gun forums. disclaimer; I have no legal expertise.
If you feel the need to carry to and from a location, then do so. If you are going to a place that does not want weapons on their property, you have a few options.
1) you comply
2) don't comply. In reality, they can't press charges, they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, then they can press charges.
3) Convert to transport mode and lock your weapon, unloaded out of site.
4) Leave it locked in transport mode in your tow rig, if you have one.
5) Keep your mouth shut and don't ask these types of questions on an open forum.
Personally, I feel that if a person feels they have the need to carry while in transit, it would be nice if a place of business like BH would changed their policy to "no loaded firearms". Then a person could unload, lock up and be fine.
Do I carry all the time? No, probably less than 50% of the time. Do I like to carry when away from home where being broken down could land me in an uncomfortable situation? Yes.
Call these people names and ask for them to be banned also. Or are you one of those people who ignore facts and evidence that may make you unpopular? Do you have a back bone? What do you think of Jim's response? He is a well liked person here who always contributes to the good of the sport an forum. Call him out, show your ignorance little boy.
I don't carry everyday everywhere. I dot panic when I don't have it or feel uneasy. I know that sometimes for whatever reason we all make a choice that could alter our life or another's permanently. We make that choice for whatever reason and live with what happens. The key is I make that choice not you or a business or the government. That is what freedom means. Remember land of the free home of the brave? Maybe CNN brainwashed you guys.
• you make the choice of whether or not your airplane takes off, or lands? or if it lands on your highway or house?
• you make the choice of another driver having not performed maintenance on their vehicle which results in them crashing into yours, or hopping the sidewalk you were standing on?
• you make the choice of whether or not your surgeon has scrubbed in properly, or got enough sleep?
• you make the choice of whether or not your sexual partner is stepping out on your, or hiding an intravenous drug habit?
• you make the choice of whether or not a tornado rips through your neighborhood?
my point in all of the above, as it was earlier in this thread, is that there are risks for each and everything we do and don't do in life. whether it's eating right, exercising or practicing proper oral hygiene.
you have a helluva lot less control over it than you think, and aside from a couple of dozen astronauts none of uf get off this planet alive. period. it's only a matter of how and when.
some folks are fixated on the possibility that the how/when may be via violence at the hands of another. that's their/your prerogative, but at least be realistic about how little control you have over things. especially if you are anywhere near an automobile as last I looked vehicle related deaths and injuries still exceed death by other violence.
Odds you will be injured by a toilet this year: 1 in 10,000
Odds of dying on a bicycle: 1 in 4472
Odds of dying in a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of a non-felon being murdered with a gun: 1 in 500,000
Odds are you should stop shitting, never ride a bike, and stop drving, long before a non felon should venture out of the house with out his weapon.
There are all sorts of these discussions on the gun forums. disclaimer; I have no legal expertise.
If you feel the need to carry to and from a location, then do so. If you are going to a place that does not want weapons on their property, you have a few options.
1) you comply
2) don't comply. In reality, they can't press charges, they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, then they can press charges.
3) Convert to transport mode and lock your weapon, unloaded out of site.
4) Leave it locked in transport mode in your tow rig, if you have one.
5) Keep your mouth shut and don't ask these types of questions on an open forum.
Personally, I feel that if a person feels they have the need to carry while in transit, it would be nice if a place of business like BH would changed their policy to "no loaded firearms". Then a person could unload, lock up and be fine.
Do I carry all the time? No, probably less than 50% of the time. Do I like to carry when away from home where being broken down could land me in an uncomfortable situation? Yes.
i carry as much as possable because i know how my odds are and for some reason if it can happen it will somehow happen to me lol. i dont mind if someone dont want me to carry on there prop. and have no prob with it but it will be in my car eather way cause i have to arrive and leave there place at some time. to each there own. i feel i can better protect myself and the people around and close to me when i have it. if u think u dont need it then good for you. hopefully neither of us ever get to see if the other was right or wrong and all will be fine. but look around and at the news people are nuts and the world is screwed up. just my 2 cents
This was beat to death on here once before. Iirc no one affiliated with bh is anti gun in any form.....that rule exists because including it saved them considerable amount of money on their operating insurance...i may wrong but it seems that is what i remember.
they wouldn't let me carry an AR at KOH too! How dare them! The nerve! I feel so violated!!! I'm never going back ever!!!! [chant] USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!! [/chant]
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